NEW JERSEY NETS (Mayo 2008 - Julio 2009) Zona de consulta para conocer cómo éramos antes Moderador: Louis de Funès

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El Salary Cap para 2009-10 ha quedado fijado en $57.7 millones. Nuestro payroll ahora mismo es de $57.3 millones.

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Por cierto, Anderson 33+14 ayer en las SL.
Hoy precisamente jugamos contra Orlando.
Douglas-Roberts, 23.5 pts de media. Anderson, 27.0.

esto no vale para nada, aun asi yo siempre he sido un defensor de Anderson y para mi va ser mejor que Yi y lo he dicho mas de una vez, menuda cagada el darle en el traspaso, pero de lo contrario es que era regalar a VC y no obtener a Lee.

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Lo que me hace gracia es que cómo podían querer a Lee tan malamente en este traspaso, cuando el año pasado no le consideraron lo suficientemente bueno como para cogerle con el nº21, y encima les das no sólo tu jugador de más talento sino también el jugador que escogiste delante del propio Lee.

No me digáis que no suena un poco a despropósito. Que está claro que Lee ha hecho una gran temporada, y eso le ha hecho más valioso, pero vamos, el primer error, y esto lo vengo diciendo desde hace mucho, es que no cogiéramos a Lee el año pasado (y con este traspaso, la gerencia de los Nets admite su error y diría yo también su incompetencia al no cogerle el año pasado, sobre todo si, como dice Thorn este traspaso no es un salary dump, como quiere hacer creer- no se lo cree ni él), aparte de porque Lee es mejor jugador, también porque acabámos de adquirir ya en Yi un 4 que juega abierto de más talento y potencial que Ryan.

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el error no fue draftear a Anderson, fue traerse a Yi, si se hubiese cambiado a RJ por un simple expiring ahora estariamos con VC y Ryan en la plantilla asi de claro, porque el traspaso de VC ha sido para DUMPEAR SU SALARIO clarisimamente, y quien diga que no miente.

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de todos modos si hubiesemos drafteado a Lee con el 21 el año pasado hubiera jugado lo mismo que Douglas-Roberts me atrevo a decir, teniendo a VC por delante y algunos veteranos de los que se la ponen dura a Frank y el recelo que tiene el zanahorio a poner a chavales a jugar.........

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Independientemente de haberse traído o no a Yi, no coger a Lee antes que a Anderson fue un error (sin llegar tampoco a la categoría de cagada ni nada por el estilo, Ryan era un buen pick en el 21, simplemente no creo que fuera la absoluta mejor de las opciones disponibles), porque Lee es mejor jugador.

Y si encima ya tenías en el chino un 4 de futuro de más calidad que Ryan (para mí), se entiende menos esa decisión.

Tampoco es que Lee me parezca un jugador con potencial de estrella ni nada por el estilo, es un gran jugador, y tiene mucha personalidad, pero vamos, tampoco creo que llegue a ser más que un titular de elite, que no es tontería precisamente, bastante es; el chaval es muy bueno en defensa y tiro, y en un equipo como el nuestro, y a medida que vaya creciendo puede aportar anotación en cifras que ronden los 12-15 puntos por noche, que no está nada mal.

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ahora ya de todos modos mirar atras para lamentarse no vale nada, nosotros tenemos que ir perfilando el equipo via draft y poco mas, acabamos de partir de cero y ya no tenemos contratos de muchos millones de larga duracion como antes pasaba, con la base que tenemos lo que hay que hacer es buscar a gente por dentro que sea joven y tengan margen ya que por fuera ya tenemos suficiente gente para desarrollar, este año a perder partidos poniendo a los jovenes siempre ya que el futuro de la franquicia pasa por ellos, no por Alston, Simmons, Hassell o Najera por ejemplo y a intentar conseguir un pick que sea top3 para gastarlo en un hombre interior que pueda ser pareja de Lopez por muchos años, y luego con el pick de Dallas y los 20 millones obligatorios que tenemos que gastar el verano que viene pues intentar compensar el equipo minimamente sin cometer locuras.

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Independientemente de haberse traído o no a Yi, no coger a Lee antes que a Anderson fue un error (sin llegar tampoco a la categoría de cagada ni nada por el estilo, Ryan era un buen pick en el 21, simplemente no creo que fuera la absoluta mejor de las opciones disponibles), porque Lee es mejor jugador.

Y si encima ya tenías en el chino un 4 de futuro de más calidad que Ryan (para mí), se entiende menos esa decisión.

Tampoco es que Lee me parezca un jugador con potencial de estrella ni nada por el estilo, es un gran jugador, y tiene mucha personalidad, pero vamos, tampoco creo que llegue a ser más que un titular de elite, que no es tontería precisamente, bastante es; el chaval es muy bueno en defensa y tiro, y en un equipo como el nuestro, y a medida que vaya creciendo puede aportar anotación en cifras que ronden los 12-15 puntos por noche, que no está nada mal.

¿¿y cuanto crees que hubiera jugado Lee el año pasado?? por no hablar de las bajas que tuvimos por dentro durante todo el año donde Anderson nos hecho un capote.

piensa, con Dooling jugando de 2, VC, Hayes......ya te lo digo yo, mira los minutos de CDR y obtendras la respuesta.

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Si, como debería ser, este año conseguimos un pick alto con el que draftear un semental para que sea la pareja de Brook durante años estaría genial, de hecho sería mi prioridad para el draft del año que viene, pero en nuestra base de futuro también creo que nos hace falta un 3 puro de MUCHO talento ofensivo, tanto como para ser un go-to scorer que marque diferencias y haga que no todo el peso ofensivo de perímetro recaiga sólo sobre Harris, pero bueno, siempre nos quedará el draft de 2011 (no creo que consigamos esa pieza con el pick de los Mavs- quién sabe- ni en la agencia libre de 2010- ya no me molesto ni en soñar), esto no va a ser sólo un añito malo y ya, en condiciones normales, en 2011 aspiraremos a lo mejor del draft también.

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hombre con Harris, Lopez (que supongo yo que promediara 20 puntos o se quedara cerca) y el top3 que venga via draft en 2010 no nos podriamos quejar mucho, luego los acompañas de Lee y Terrence y algo apañado te puede quedar, pero hablar de esto es jugar a la bola de cristal.

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¿¿y cuanto crees que hubiera jugado Lee el año pasado?? por no hablar de las bajas que tuvimos por dentro durante todo el año donde Anderson nos hecho un capote.

piensa, con Dooling jugando de 2, VC, Hayes......ya te lo digo yo, mira los minutos de CDR y obtendras la respuesta.

Por favor. Si Lee se ganó la titularidad en el mejor equipo del este, ¿por qué no en un equipo como el nuestro? Aquí podría haber sido titular, con Carter de SF.

Y aunque no jugara tanto, Lee es mejor jugador que Anderson y deberíamos haberle cogido, punto, no hace falta dar más razones.

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¿¿y cuanto crees que hubiera jugado Lee el año pasado?? por no hablar de las bajas que tuvimos por dentro durante todo el año donde Anderson nos hecho un capote.

piensa, con Dooling jugando de 2, VC, Hayes......ya te lo digo yo, mira los minutos de CDR y obtendras la respuesta.

Por favor. Si Lee se ganó la titularidad en el mejor equipo del este, ¿por qué no en un equipo como el nuestro?

Y aunque no jugara tanto, Lee es mejor jugador que Anderson y deberíamos haberle cogido, punto, no hace falta dar más razones.

si le quita la titularidad a VC, y lo de pasar a Carter de 3 y ponerle de 2 antes Frank lo hace con Dooling seamos realistas, que Simmons se casco de titular mucho tiempo y luego Hassell y aqui gente como CDR ni tuvo oportunidades si quiera.

Y lo de elegir un pick21 porque un jugador es mejor que otro y punto me hace mucha gracia, que me lo digas siendo un pick5 pues lo comprendo perfectamente, pero en el 21 ya puedes arriesgarte un poco mas.

y punto

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DESPITE EFFORTS, NETS WILL DO 'NOTHING FOR NOW'
By FRED KERBER

Jason Kidd should re-up in Dallas. Hedo Turkoglu officially will sign in Toronto, not Portland. Today is the first day for signing free agents, and what will the Nets do?

"Nothing for now," said team president Rod Thorn. "We don't have anything going. Don't be looking to us to be doing anything (today)."
The Nets have 15 contracts after their draft-night 2-for-3 trade involving Vince Carter and Courtney Lee. They are actively talking, searching, trying to get a 2-for-1 deal, but that doesn't prohibit them from the free agency marketplace.

"Not necessarily," Thorn said. "You can have more at this time but . . ."
That's not quite the plan. The Nets want to wait out the first waves of signings and see who still is standing. There may be a bargain to be had. Eventually, there would have to be subtraction to bring another body aboard.

"We're looking at the Summer League and we have to take stock of where we are. With the trade of Vince, it changed the dynamic of our team," said GM Kiki Vandeweghe. "We have 15 contracts so we'd have to create space (eventually) if we want to do anything."

With the drafting of Terrence Williams, the acquisition of Lee and the expected development of Chris Douglas-Roberts, the Nets like their situation on the wing. They definitely could use a defender/rebounder at the four.

"They're out there," Thorn said. "It's a question of who can afford them."
Thorn and Vandeweghe are in Orlando where the Nets/Sixers split squad yesterday lost to the Jazz, 83-68. Douglas-Roberts scored 27 points for a two-game total of 47 and Williams scored eight.

Williams shot 3-of-11 after a 1-of-8 effort the opening day Monday.
"He played very well. All-around, he was very good. Passing, rebounding, defending, but he missed open shots," Thorn said of Williams. "He's athletic and knows how to play. But at the end of the day, you've got to make shots."

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One report claimed the Nets are interested in Utah wing C.J. Miles. Multiple team sources discounted the rumor, though there were inquiries before the Carter trade and acquisition of Lee.
fred.kerber@nypost.com

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lo normal vamos.

de todos modos es tonteria discutir lo del pick21 y esas cosas porque como dices tu no es una cagada clara, aqui el problema es el dueño, si hubiera pasta para ir a por Boozer por ejemplo ya ves tu que gilipolleces estariamos hablando del pick21 ahora mismo.

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Looking toward 2010, the Nets are watching and waiting on LeBron James
BY JULIAN GARCIA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Wednesday, July 8th 2009, 4:00 AM

Maybe LeBron James told Trevor Ariza that he would be staying in Cleveland. Or maybe he didn't.

Whatever James did or didn't say, Nets president Rod Thorn is assuming the Cavaliers superstar is staying right where he is.

"You have to assume he's going to stay there unless he doesn't," Thorn said yesterday. "I've always assumed he was going to stay there, but we won't know until next year."

Thorn said he hadn't heard of Monday's ESPN report that James had told free agent Trevor Ariza that he would be staying with the Cavaliers beyond next summer, when he can become a free agent. Then Tuesday, ESPN cited sources close to James who said he never told Ariza that.

What James actually said could have huge implications throughout the league since numerous teams are jockeying to get into financial position to be able to sign him if he does become available a year from now. The Nets are expected to be one of the teams that could make him an offer as they could be as much as $28million under the salary cap by then.

"He could ostensibly re-sign with them this summer," said Thorn. "If so, I don't know how it affects the market. It would obviously help Cleveland attract free agents, but I don't know how it affects the market otherwise."

Pos vale.

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Yo a Thorn le respeto mucho, pero a veces se casca unas declaraciones que parece que se le va el tarro totalmente.

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Yo a Thorn le respeto mucho, pero a veces se casca unas declaraciones que parece que se le va el tarro totalmente.

Thorn es uno de los mejores GM de la liga, pero tambien tiene un jefe por encima que le hace tomar unas u otras decisiones.

En cuanto a las declaraciones, es lo que tiene que decir, no puede extender el pesimismo a la franquicia y a los aficionados Net.

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Masking talent
Orlando-based duo draws raves for protective gear
BY JOHN DENTON • FLORIDA TODAY • July 8, 2009

Courtney Lee no longer plays for the Orlando Magic following last week's blockbuster trade that sent him to the New Jersey Nets in exchange for All-Star guard Vince Carter. But that won't stop Stan Patterson and Stephen Bremer from following Lee's blossoming career from afar.

Patterson, the owner of Prosthetic and Orthotic Associates in Orlando, and Bremer, a certified orthotist, played a major role in helping Lee get back on the court during the NBA playoffs last month.

Patterson and Bremer worked with Lee after he suffered a fractured sinus cavity above his left eye on April 28 when he was hit by an accidental elbow from teammate Dwight Howard. Following surgery to repair the fracture, Patterson and Bremer spent 10 hours with Lee making a protective mask that would allow him to get back on the court.

Even with an injury that required five weeks of healing time, Lee was able to return to action 11 days later with the mask. He started for the Magic in the Eastern Conference Finals and The NBA Finals, showing no aftereffects of the injury while wearing the mask.

For Patterson and Bremer, seeing their handiwork on the court allowed them to feel as if they played a small role in helping the Magic advance to The NBA Finals for the first time since 1995.

"It was nice to see Courtney go to the hole and look like he wasn't worried about getting hit. If you distribute the force of getting hit over a greater area, there's hardly any way he was going to get hurt," said Patterson, also a certified prosthetist. "Courtney would text me back many times over and thank us for getting him back out on the court. Dwight Howard said thanks, too, and that was so cool for us."

Lee's mask was such a success that the Orlando-based company has already received calls from other NBA and European League teams about fitting other injured players with masks in the future. Bremer works mostly with children with cranial deformities or injuries, while Patterson deals primarily with prosthetic limbs.

Said Patterson: "We have the best job in the world."

Dealing with Lee, the low-key, low-maintenance rookie who blossomed into a starter last season with the Magic, was a special challenge. And an exciting one, too, because Patterson and Bremer were swept up in Magic fever and wanted to help the 23-year-old shooting guard get back on the floor.

"We got to The Finals and almost got (the championship). It was so fun for us to be a part of this," Bremer said. "But we felt some responsibility that if he would have missed a free throw and blamed the mask, the fans might have put a contract out on us.

"I've never seen somebody who was so focused," Bremer continued, talking about Lee. "All he wanted to do was get back to work. He just wanted to get back with the team."

Lee, who was surprisingly dealt to New Jersey after averaging 8.4 points and 2.3 rebounds in 77 games and 42 starts, was hurt in Game 6 against the Philadelphia 76ers when Howard came down with an elbow to the middle of his forehead. Following the surgery three days later, Lee met Patterson and Bremer. Lee was impressed by all of the science and precision put into the construction of the mask.

"I couldn't believe how detailed they were about every little thing with the mask," he said. "They spent a lot of time working with me, getting it to fit just right. And the thing I liked most was that I could get hit and even if the mask got jarred, I could still see out of it and breath out of it."

Bremer created a mold of Lee's face by pouring a gooey silicone product all over it. The switch from plaster to silicone has made the fitting of cranial masks much more precise, Bremer said. A sheath of hard plastic was then fitted over the mold, making the protective masks.

Ultimately, three masks were constructed, with adjustments to each one based on the feedback from Lee. Because of his specific injury, Lee couldn't take pressure on his nose or along his eyebrows. Instead, the mask's pressure was applied to his cheekbones and his upper forehead.

"We had to release the sinus cavity and he couldn't take any pressure on the nose," Patterson recalled. "Pressure equals force over a given area. So we loaded up certain areas to relieve the areas that couldn't take it."

Patterson said he will always remember the scene after Lee was finally fully comfortable with the third mask and the clock was approaching 3:30 a.m. Lee had an early-morning flight to catch to join his teammates in Boston, but he wasn't about to leave the facility until he was certain the mask wouldn't restrict his play on the court.

"Courtney didn't just say, 'It's perfect,' and leave. He didn't want to overlook a thing," Patterson remembers. "He went in our gym in the back and shot around. I think he took 12 shots and made all 12 of them."

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Yo a Thorn le respeto mucho, pero a veces se casca unas declaraciones que parece que se le va el tarro totalmente.

Leyendo eso ya me imagino su cara al decirlo.

Más sobre Ryan Anderson, esto es sacado de HoopsWorld:

Orlando: Anderson Getting His Due?
By: Alex Raskin Last Updated: 7/7/09 11:12 PM ET

Adjust font size:Ryan Anderson's face would have appeared next to "overlooked" in the dictionary had Webster's not overlooked the Magic forward.

While playing at Cal, Anderson was overshadowed in the Bay Area by Stanford Center Brook Lopez. After that, the Nets took Anderson 21st in the 2008 NBA draft—11 picks after they chose Lopez.

Anderson's star seemed to get even smaller at this year's draft when he was traded with headliner Vince Carter to Orlando.

"I've always been overlooked, so what's another thing?" Anderson told HOOPSWORLD.

In a trade that netted a local hero (Carter is from Daytona Beach, Fla.) for the defending Eastern Conference Champions, Anderson was thought by some to be mere contract-filler… if he was even thought of at all.

But as it turns out, Anderson, was actually a coveted trade chip by Orlando Head Coach Stan Van Gundy.

"I know what Coach wants from me," Anderson continued. "I know he really likes me in this trade. He feels I can fill a void this team needs."

And what void might that be?

Orlando made it to the NBA Finals thanks, in part, to their 38% mark from three-point land. Playing without a true power forward, the Magic allowed Dwight Howard all of the space he needed in the paint while having two forwards (Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis) shooting perimeter shots.

Anderson can't replace the departed Turkoglu, but he can spread the floor on offense while providing good size on defense (Anderson is listed at 6-10, 240 and is rumored to be in better shape this season).

"We have a lot of great guys that are going to draw a lot of attention, so guys like me come in and can get easy open shots because they're not going to be looking at me so much," explained Anderson—who hit 41% of his three-pointers during his final year at Cal and almost 37% as an NBA rookie.

But Anderson was showing his new hometown fans more than just outside shooting as he dropped 33 points and grabbed 14 rebounds in Tuesday's Orlando Summer League action.

"During the regular season, I don't expect to score 30, or even 20, a game," said Anderson. "I expect that's not what my role is supposed to be with Vince and Dwight. I'm not coming in thinking I'm going to be the go-to guy or anything. Next season, I'm just going to fill my role, do what the coaches want me to do and knock down open shots."

As a rookie, Anderson's biggest obstacle was interior offense. He hit only 41.7% of his 2-point field goals, which leaves a lot of room for growth.

However, by the end of the season his smart play, determination and strong shooting put him ahead of the more-publicized Yi Jianlian on New Jersey's depth chart.

With so much to offer Orlando, does Anderson still feel overlooked in this trade?

"I wouldn't say overlooked," Anderson concluded. "Of course, this is a 'Vince Carter' trade. Vince is a veteran in the league. He's an All-Star. And he's a great, talented player—a guy that I look up to a lot."

Okay, so this trade was more about swapping Courtney Lee for Carter. That doesn't mean Anderson can't contribute to a title-winning team. With good size, the right work ethic and solid perimeter shot, he could be a bargain at only $1.3 million—and in this economy, that can't be overlooked.

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Yo a Thorn le respeto mucho, pero a veces se casca unas declaraciones que parece que se le va el tarro totalmente.

Thorn es uno de los mejores GM de la liga, pero tambien tiene un jefe por encima que le hace tomar unas u otras decisiones.

En cuanto a las declaraciones, es lo que tiene que decir, no puede extender el pesimismo a la franquicia y a los aficionados Net.

la frase en negrita, no es lo que dice, sino como lo dice