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por eddiekill » 16 May 2008, 23:51

Neo Anderson escribió:La novia de Fran no le dejará ir...olvidaos de él en Orlando.


Han roto ya no?



gunk escribió:
Calderon-Nelson
Rashard-Reddick
Turkoglu-Budinger
Howard-Fran
Battie-Fichaje



Rashard de 2? :?


Yo mantendria la misma base del equipo y haria dos buenos fichajes que nos den el salto que nos falta para estar arriba.

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por Magic Stick » 16 May 2008, 23:52

gunk escribió:te keda:

Calderon-Nelson
Rashard-Reddick
Turkoglu-Budinger
Howard-Fran
Battie-Fichaje


Sinceramente, no veo a Rashard con sus 2.06 jugando de escolta.

Yo veo más bien:

Nelson/X-Dooling
X/Evans/JJ
Turkoglu
Lewis/Cook
Howard/Battie

Si bien es cierto que Tonnie puede jugar de 4 y Hedo de 2, dejando a Rashard su puesto natural de 3.

Este verano va a estar muy movidito y con la base que tenemos no podemos desaprovecharlo.
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por Neo Anderson » 16 May 2008, 23:53

eddiekill escribió:
Neo Anderson escribió:La novia de Fran no le dejará ir...olvidaos de él en Orlando.


Han roto ya no?


Me temo que no, en estos momentos le tiene cogidito de los huevos :mrgreen:
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por duyn » 16 May 2008, 23:54

¿Rashard de 2?

A mi Pietrus si viniera me pareceria un gran acierto. Es un gran defensor y en ataque no es manco.

A ver como se mueven, pero si se hace bien habra un equipo interesante.
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por gunk » 16 May 2008, 23:54

eddiekill escribió:
Neo Anderson escribió:La novia de Fran no le dejará ir...olvidaos de él en Orlando.


Han roto ya no?



gunk escribió:
Calderon-Nelson
Rashard-Reddick
Turkoglu-Budinger
Howard-Fran
Battie-Fichaje



Rashard de 2? :?


Yo mantendria la misma base del equipo y haria dos buenos fichajes que nos den el salto que nos falta para estar arriba.


Rashard de 2, es un escolta tirador, como JJ y a veces puede penetrar, si lo pasas al 3 tienes ke pasar al turko de 4, y ahi no rinde iwal xq se tiene ke dar el doble de hostias con los grandotes del rival, ke tmb juega.
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por duyn » 16 May 2008, 23:57

Pero es que Lewis de 2 no va hacer un carajo. Yo me olvidaria de experimentos. Rashard donde rinde es de 3 y a veces se le puede probar de 4.
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por Magic Stick » 17 May 2008, 00:00

Young Thunder escribió: ¿Gente aprovechable de la lista? Childress, Pietrus, ¿Livingston?, Udrih...


El puesto de base no lo veo tan difícil como aparentaba.

Jason Williams se ofreció ya hace algún tiempo y junto a Nelson y Dooling pueden formar un buen trío de bases (Williams cerebro, Nelson puntos, Dooling factor X).

El esloveno es un jugador que me gusta y encima barato, puede ser un estilo Dooling con más tiro pero menos físico.
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por Young Thunder » 17 May 2008, 00:00

Viendo la temporada del equipo Van Gundy seguirá seguro, con los cual Redick iba a estar todo el año sin rascar bola. Al año que viene es agente libre y no creo que fuera a renovar. De perderle, sacar algo a cambio. En algún foro americano lei alguna propuesta de JJ + nuestra primera ronda X ronda entorno al 10-15.
Me fastidia que no juegue, pero yo creo que este verano JJ será traspasado, habiendo dicho Van Gundy abiertamente que el juego de Redick y su filosofía sin incompatibles.



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por gunk » 17 May 2008, 00:01

duyn escribió:Pero es que Lewis de 2 no va hacer un carajo. Yo me olvidaria de experimentos. Rashard donde rinde es de 3 y a veces se le puede probar de 4.

bueno, si kereis le ponemos de 4, entonces nos falta un hueco en el 2, se puede renovar a alguno de los bases ke expiran, venga va, os doi a elegir 1, el ke prefirais.
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por PRSURF » 17 May 2008, 00:08

Arroyo es mucho PG para ese equipo, que no sabe aprovechar jugadores.

Como quiera, seguire a los Magics si se va Arroyo!
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por gunk » 17 May 2008, 00:09

PRSURF escribió:Arroyo es mucho PG para ese equipo, que no sabe aprovechar jugadores.

Como quiera, seguire a los Magics si se va Arroyo!


ale, a reestructurar toda la piramide.

arroyo de 1er base
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por eddiekill » 17 May 2008, 00:13

gunk escribió:
duyn escribió:Pero es que Lewis de 2 no va hacer un carajo. Yo me olvidaria de experimentos. Rashard donde rinde es de 3 y a veces se le puede probar de 4.

bueno, si kereis le ponemos de 4, entonces nos falta un hueco en el 2, se puede renovar a alguno de los bases ke expiran, venga va, os doi a elegir 1, el ke prefirais.
bogans?


Si, Bogans mismo, que es el base suplente xDD


En serio, lo más logico seria no tocar el cinco inicial y menos con el espacio salarial que tenemos para fichar algo sin dar nada a cambio. Lo unico que me genera dudas es el puesto de base porque Jameer aunque se haya salido en los play-off nose, no le veo. Tambien pienso que Childress nos vendria muy bien.

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por gunk » 17 May 2008, 00:14

eddiekill escribió:
gunk escribió:
duyn escribió:Pero es que Lewis de 2 no va hacer un carajo. Yo me olvidaria de experimentos. Rashard donde rinde es de 3 y a veces se le puede probar de 4.

bueno, si kereis le ponemos de 4, entonces nos falta un hueco en el 2, se puede renovar a alguno de los bases ke expiran, venga va, os doi a elegir 1, el ke prefirais.
bogans?


Si, Bogans mismo, que es el base suplente xDD


En serio, lo más logico seria no tocar el cinco inicial y menos con el espacio salarial que tenemos para fichar algo sin dar nada a cambio. Lo unico que me genera dudas es el puesto de base porque Jameer aunque se haya salido en los play-off nose, no le veo. Tambien pienso que Childress nos vendria muy bien.


si te fijas en la piramide ke yo he hecho, los 5 titulares con iguales ke este año, solo e tocado los suplentes, metiendo a JJ, a calderon, a Fran y a Budinger, todos relativamente poco expertos en la NBA pero con proyeccion
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por Magic Stick » 17 May 2008, 00:19

Esto si que no me gusta nada..

Ewing Might Return To Knicks As Assistant

Knicks Coach Mike D'Antoni says he will consider hiring Patrick Ewing, the former New York star center and currently an Orlando Magic assistant coach who works with all-star Dwight Howard, as one of his assistant with the Knicks, the New York Daily News is reporting.

"I know what he did in New York and I know that he's done a good job since he left," D'Antoni told the Daily News' Frank Isola. "He will definitely be considered."

Isola also wrote that: "Ewing is under contract, but the Magic would not prevent him from rejoining the franchise that he led to the NBA Finals in 1994 and 1999.''

It's late right now so it's impossible to confirm or dispel whether the Magic would allow him to leave for an assistant coaching job with the Knicks. Ewing had told the Sentinel before New York hired D'Antoni that he would be interested in the Knicks' head-coaching job but did not discuss possible interest in going back as an assistant. Magic Coach Stan Van Gundy even had lobbied for the Knicks to consider him for the top job. Ewing is expected to coach the Magic's summer-league team this year.


El trabajo que está desarrollando con los jugadores interiores ha sido sensacional este año y para la evolución de Howard es primordial que no se vaya.
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por jdjare » 17 May 2008, 03:20

Yo renovaria a Dooling y Bogans antes que Evans, Bogans tiene mucho mas caracter y para mi es mejor atacando y defendiendo pero tiene peor fisico que Evans. Si se queda Evans tampoco pasa nada, deberian dar un resultado similar pero ya digo que a mi me gusta mas Bogans.

Garrity por desgracia parece que se va a retirar, a pesar de que es joven aun (va a cumplir 32 años) pero las lesiones le han dejado muy cascado. Espero que si no renueva al menos tengo un hueco en el organigrama de la franquicia.

Con Redick hay que dejar claro su papel, si se queda en el equipo que sea para entrar en la rotacion, si no va a tener minutos habitualmente mejor traspasarlo e intentar sacar algo interesante a cambio.

Fichajes: Jason Williams me gusta para completar nuestro trio de bases y el estaria encantado de jugar aqui, Maggette tambien me gusta pero es otro jugador del corte de Evans o Bogans pero para la posicion de 3 con lo que nose como cuadrarlo bien.

Ah por cierto, se dice go Magic, sin la s del plural, que es una de las cosas que nos hacen unicos respecto a los demas equipos :P

Un saludo.
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por Magic Stick » 17 May 2008, 14:38

El próximo Draft se presenta más que interesante y depende de la página especializada nos colocan a un jugador u a otro. Lo que si es seguro es que nuestra elección estará en la nº 22.

Posibles elecciones:

Mario Chalmers

NBA Comparison: Keyon Dooling

Strengths: Has good size for a PG ... Excellent anticipation on defense ... Struggled offensively early on in the season, but eventually developed into the Jayhawks second leading scorer ... Raised his scoring average to 14 ppg during the rugged Big 12 regular season ... Was second on the team in assists behind starting PG Russell Robinson, so the ability to play PG seems to be there, but he needs to improve his A/TO ratio and show the confidence to run a team ... Seemed to find himself as the season went on ... Can really stroke the ball too, as evidenced by his McDonalds All-American three point shootout victory and 48 3 pointers (38%) in his freshman year.

Weaknesses: Would have liked to see more PG ability his freshman year since he came out of high school as a highly touted PG. Still must prove himself as a point guard. Led the team in turnovers as a freshman with 88. Needs to show improvement in the ball handling department and needs to show the ability to make his teammates better and display better decision making on offense.

Notes: Broke Darnell Valentine’s freshman steals record with 89. Could dramatically improve his stock if he can prove he’s more than short two guard who can score at the collegiate level. If he can display more pure PG skills, given his size he could find his way into the lottery given the value of team leading point guards who can dictate the flow of a game.


Chris Douglas-Roberts

NBA Comparison: Julius Hodge
Strengths: Versatile guard with a lot of moxie ... Steps up his level of play in big games and wants to take the big shot ... Has a very good midrange game using runners and ball fakes and has solid touch on his shot ... Excellent off the dribble creating shots for himself or others. A very good ball handler. ... Very crafty around the basket ... Spent time playing point guard in high school and early in his college career ... He handles the ball very well for a 2-guard ... Also has solid vision and passing skills ... A decent athlete with good leaping ability but nothing extraordinary ... Good quickness. Runs the floor well ... Solid defender who doesn't gamble much for steals and stays in front of his man, using his long arms to limit open looks ... Shows solid toughness to play through pain when injured ... Smart player who shows good leadership ability ...

Weaknesses: Very weak physically. There's a lot of question marks about whether he can successfully add weight to his frame. (There's a reason some guys wear t-shirts under their jerseys) ... He appears to be one of those types who was meant to be skinny and added weight could limit his mobility to some degree (Richard Hamilton has made it work, but Rip is on another level athleticially) ... His lack of bodystrength hurts his ability to absorb contact and fully utilize his athletic ability ... Stronger players are able to knock him off balance and push him around ... He's not a great outside shooter, despite shooting at a high percentage halfway through his junior year (20/40) from three, he takes a low volume of shots and gets a lot of open looks thanks to playing with one of the top point guards in college (Derrick Rose) ... His a/to ratio has fallen off (1.5/2.3) since he has focused more attention on scoring ... Needs to do a better job of protecting the ball on drives and make better decisions passing the ball ...


Brandon Rush

NBA Comparison: Reggie Lewis
Strengths: Good size for a SG in the league at 6’6” 210 lbs; also equipped with very long arms, measuring in with a 6’11” wingspan…Blessed with exceptional athleticism, runs the floor well and gets above the rim with ease; at his best in the open court…For the second year in a row Rush has led the Jayhawks in scoring at 13.8 ppg…Rush also collected 5.6 rpg, good for second on a very good rebounding Kansas team…Plays under control on offense, rarely ever forces the issue when the ball is in his hands, which has served the young Jayhawk team well as a steadying influence, evidenced by his 45% shooting mark…Gets good arc under his shot, shows a nice, fluid release…Excellent long-range shooter, shooting 43% from three his sophomore year, proving that his excellent shooting numbers from his freshmen campaign were no fluke…Excellent man defender, aided by his long arms and developed body…Defended the opposition's best player night in and night out; guarding Kevin Durant as well as anybody in their matchups…An excellent teammate who plays a solid all around game...

Weaknesses: At 22 years old, slightly old for a junior, urging the question about his potential and ceiling…Admitted his freshmen year that he received little to no formal coaching before college…Handling the basketball and driving the lane need to become off season priorities for Rush if he is to erase doubts about his effectiveness in the NBA…Left handed dribbling is suspect…For a player with his athletic talents, how rarely he gets to the basket is both surprising and alarming; brings about visions of former Jayhawk J.R. Giddens, and other players athletically gifted who seemed content to hoist up threes all game long…Some people question his competitiveness, claiming that he appears to coast in games that he should be dominating…

Outlook: The return of Rush to the Jayhawks for the ‘07-’08 season has Kansas fans across the nation thinking championship again. Paired up with Russell Robinson and Mario Chalmers, these three form arguably the best defensive backcourt in college basketball. Rush suffered a torn ACL in his right knee is May of ’07 while preparing for the draft. He has undergone the necessary surgery, but only time will tell if he is able to make a full recovery or if the injury is something that plagues the rest of his career… If Rush can come back and lead the Jayhawks deep into the tournament while showing improvements in his dribbling and penetration, his only true weaknesses, then he should be a lock for the first round in next year’s draft.


Roy Hibbert

NBA Comparison: Joel Przybilla

Strengths: Center with great size and strength ... Has soft hands, excellent touch on his shot ... Strong rebounder ... Very good free throw shooter, (around 80%) which is especially important for a center ... Post moves are developing well ... Smart player, has a good understanding of his role and what to do on the court ... Strong character guy ... Hard worker, has shown great improvement in his skill level, body and conditioning in his time at Georgetown ... Has transformed himself into a legitimate prospect ... More athletic than he appears ... His quickness in decision making has improved ... Body strength and agility seems to still be developing, his upside is very intriguing considering how much he improved in the past year ... Good vision and passing ability ... Calm demeanor, never gets out of control or loses his cool ... Has the size to block shots inside without jumping ...

Weaknesses: Limited athletically: Lacks quickness, speed in the open floor, and explosiveness ... Has trouble against big and athletic centers, must work on ball fakes and becoming less predictable offensively ... Runs very stiff, slow transitioning from half to full court ... Has decent shot blocking skills due to his size, but lacks great quickness and reflexes vertically ...


Kosta Koufos

NBA Comparison: Mehmet Okur

Strengths: To prepare for Ohio State, Koufos has developed a more aggressive style of play. He now has the ability to bang down low that he has somewhat lacked in the past. While being known as a player who is best when working in the high post from either elbow, he has displayed a solid game from the baseline recently, where he can turn over either shoulder to hit the baseline jumper. He has added a behind the back dribble move to his repertoire that isn’t fully reliable yet, but will make him a little more dangerous when working from the top of the key nonetheless. His leadership has developed more and he is a reliable go to guy offensively in the post. Defensively, his post position is very good, so he shouldn’t have too many problems with man-to-man defense at the next level.

Weaknesses: Koufos must get better at finishing at the rim after contact. He has great touch around the basket, but when he takes contact, his shot doesn’t often find the basket. His timing is good on blocked shots, but don’t expect him to be much of an intimidator with this skill in the NBA due to average to just above average athleticism. While his midrange shooting is excellent, he could stand to extend his range a little bit. If he could consistently hit the college three it would be an excellent weapon for him and his team.


Jason Thompson

NBA Comparison: Jason Smith

Strengths: Post forward with excellent length and versatility ... Though he's already a senior, he has a developing skill set and shows a lot of upside ... A late bloomer who despite playing at a mid-major has lottery pick potential ... Terrific foot speed allows him to hold his own on the perimeter on both ends of the floor ... Has great fluidity and athleticism and inside/outside skills ... Good touch on his shot with consistent range out to 12-15 feet ... Has some polished post moves including a nice jump hook ... A marvelous passer for a 6-10 guy with vision and good decision making. Has a 1:1 a/to ratio, which for a post player is excellent ... Rebounds the ball well ... Quality defender. A factor as a shot blocker with his quick leaping ability and timing ... Can handle the ball in both the half court and full court ... Has the ability to face the basket and take bigger players off the dribble ... High character guy. Plays with a high motor, great attitude and eager to improve. ... Hard worker who has shown steady improvement throughout his college career ... Averaging 20 and 10 for his second consecutive season in college ...

Weaknesses: Needs to become stronger and tougher inside ... He has the frame and ability to play inside but will need to improve on those skills for the next level ... He'll need to improve on his leg strength to better fight for positioning ... Must become better at using positioning for rebounds instead of relying strictly on his athleticism over less athletic, smaller players ... Playing in a lower level conference makes him a tougher sell. Level of competition has not been great playing at Rider in the MAAC, he'll have a bigger adjustment in level of competition, thought he has performed very well when facing top level competition ... His free throw shooting while solid over his career has trailed off (55%) as a senior ...


Otros jugadores pueden ser Serge Ibaka (l´Hospitalet), Nikola Pekovic (Partizan)(tiene firmando contrato con Panathinaikos), Joe Alexander (West Virginia), Robin Lopez (Stanford) o Courtney Lee (Western Kentucky).
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por gunk » 17 May 2008, 14:57

de los ke se ha citado ahi, como buenos interiores, me interesarían Hibbert, Koufos o Ibaka
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por Magic Stick » 17 May 2008, 15:00

gunk escribió:de los ke se ha citado ahi, como buenos interiores, me interesarían Hibbert, Koufos o Ibaka


Cualquiera de los 3 es una muy buena opción.
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por Magic Stick » 18 May 2008, 04:30

Que tiempos..

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por gunk » 18 May 2008, 04:31

Magic Stick escribió:Que tiempos..

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che miguelon ke haces aki ke no estas en el msn=?
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