yugos_lavo escribió:puede ser que flip sanders acabe de entrenador en chicago??
Una pena que no ganarais a los celtics... un saludo.
no lo sé,puede...o a los Suns,vete tu a saber.
Detroit Pistons 15/16:Pretemporada solida,apuntalando un poco más el proyecto hacia la cumbre del Este
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yugos_lavo
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Hamilton escribió:yugos_lavo escribió:puede ser que flip sanders acabe de entrenador en chicago??
Una pena que no ganarais a los celtics... un saludo.
no lo sé,puede...o a los Suns,vete tu a saber.
yo la verdad que nose a que esperan... para fichar un entrenador. Pero bueno... a ver al final a quien traen... sonaba doug collins incluso.
:botepordetras: :botepordetras:
yugos_lavo escribió:Hamilton escribió:yugos_lavo escribió:puede ser que flip sanders acabe de entrenador en chicago??
Una pena que no ganarais a los celtics... un saludo.
no lo sé,puede...o a los Suns,vete tu a saber.
yo la verdad que nose a que esperan... para fichar un entrenador. Pero bueno... a ver al final a quien traen... sonaba doug collins incluso.
hace unos dias estabais muy interesados en Avery Johnson,por aquí tb está empezando a sonar.
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yugos_lavo
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Hamilton escribió:yugos_lavo escribió:Hamilton escribió:yugos_lavo escribió:puede ser que flip sanders acabe de entrenador en chicago??
Una pena que no ganarais a los celtics... un saludo.
no lo sé,puede...o a los Suns,vete tu a saber.
yo la verdad que nose a que esperan... para fichar un entrenador. Pero bueno... a ver al final a quien traen... sonaba doug collins incluso.
hace unos dias estabais muy interesados en Avery Johnson,por aquí tb está empezando a sonar.
según parece... se salia de presupuesto... no quieren gastarse ni un dolar de más. Estan un poco racanos... aunque a mi Avery no me gusta un pelo.
:botepordetras: :botepordetras:
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Badboycervantino
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Hamilton escribió:Lo que está claro es que vamos a hacer las cosas con calma,tenemos todo el verano por delante,tenemos una base sólida,solo hace falta quitar 1 pieza y suplantarla con unos cuantos retoques de calidad y si apretamos la tecla adecuada,el año que viene que se preparen los Celtics.
Para mí la base sería:
-Billups/Stuckey
-Hamilton/Afflalo/"fichaje"
-Prince/Hayes
-McDyess/Maxiell
-Amir Johnson/"fichaje"
Lo más razonable sería hacer un traspaso por Sheed (años,problemas de espalda,técnicas) por un buen tio interior e intentar pescar algún tio exterior bueno para que diese descanso a Rip,porque a Afflalo todavia le veo verde en el aspecto ofensivo,aunque defensivamente es intenso.
Que os parece mi planteamiento,pueden ir por ahi los tiros?
De 5 hay que añadir a Cheick Samb,en principio esta en la plantilla, el problema si perdemos a Sheed es que seguiremos sin un 5 dominante y perdemos un 4 anotador.
Stuckey tiene el punto debil en su triple y tiro lejano,ahí es donde nos puede pesar si perdemos a Billups,es el mejor.
Hayes/hermann/prince es otra inkognita,para tener un especialista de triple que cojan a navarro de 2 anotador,que defiende tanto como Hayes y hace bastante más en ataque de forma regular.
Asi de 3 suplente se quedaría un tio bregao y fuerte como Hermann,no se porque Saunders la tomo con él,es un jugador con mucho por dar y joven,26 años.
Lo de Navarro seguramente sea pedir demasiado en una franquicia tan americana(allí no tendrán chorizo jaja),pero Hayes es el que menos me gusta de la plantilla de este año. Por muy afroamericano que sea,no lo veo un piston.
Grande el Oaka,menudo ambientazo,solo le falta el speaker de los pistons(o el de pamesa).
Los Bad Boys mejores que los Lakers.
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Luc Robitaille
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Ahora se habla de Sheed por relleno, que no se muy bien que seria, algo como Carroll y May, o cosas asi, mas el pick9 de los Bobcats
"I'll walk forever in blackness
The blind can't see until they get old
That ain't so bad as looking at you
Now that you looking at me
I look in your eyes and I know who you see
She hurt you good
But she hurt me more."
The blind can't see until they get old
That ain't so bad as looking at you
Now that you looking at me
I look in your eyes and I know who you see
She hurt you good
But she hurt me more."
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Luc Robitaille escribió:Ahora se habla de Sheed por relleno, que no se muy bien que seria, algo como Carroll y May, o cosas asi, mas el pick9 de los Bobcats
Carroll + Dudley + Pick 9 x Wallace, estaría bien.
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Posible traspaso entre Denver y Detroit, Wallace y un dos ex jugadores(Chauncey y Dyess) por Camby,Kleiza e Iverson.
Parece ser que menos la inkognita de Iverson con Hamilton y Stuckey,no lo verían mal los equipos,me parece más equilibrado que el de los Bobcats,Iverson acaba contrato,Camby tiene dos años,no es mucho para lo que puede aportar y Kleiza cobra poco y es joven.
Nuggets, Pistons Perfect Trading Partners
By: Travis Heath Last Updated: 6/4/08 10:34 PM ET | 811 times read
Adjust font size:Joe Dumars is angry, really angry. He's so angry, in fact, he told media in Detroit yesterday at the press conference to announce Flip Saunders firing that he's open to trading anyone on the team's current roster.
"I don't have any intention of coming back with the same group," Dumars asserted in an almost defiant tone. "But, nor am I going to give these guys away. These are good players and I am not going to take mediocre players back just to say we made some changes. I've got to get value back."
Really? So the Pistons would actually be willing to part with the likes of Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace?
"Make no mistake, everybody's in play now," Dumars said. "There are no sacred cows here. I have no interest in completely ripping the team down, but will I look to make like significant changes? Yeah, you're damn right I will."
Of course, the challenge remains finding a willing trade partner. And even once one is found, trades are always much easier to talk about philosophically than to actually consummate.
All that said, the Denver Nuggets are also a team that is willing to shake things up after being eliminated from the playoffs in the first round for the fifth consecutive season. Could the Nuggets be just the kind of willing trade partner Dumars is looking for?
Denver's brass has said they'll look at every possible scenario this offseason, and there are no doubt plenty of possibilities in Detroit.
For starters, Billups is a guy the Nuggets could take a long look at it, and the Pistons might be ready to move him given his age and the stellar play of rookie Rodney Stuckey in the postseason. The Nuggets could start by building a package around center Marcus Camby who would give the Pistons the inside shot blocking presence the team has lacked since the departure of Ben Wallace to Chicago in the summer of 2006. In addition to being a Denver native, Billups is also a point guard with the kind of size the Nuggets have been looking for to complement Allen Iverson in the backcourt.
However, Billups has never been a pass-first point guard which could cause problems if he were to team-up with Iverson. Moreover, Billups' has three years and a fourth-year team option left on a contract which will pay him $11-million next season and increases by basically $1-million annually through the 2011-2012 season. That is certainly one heck of a salary for the Nuggets to absorb.
The Pistons and the Nuggets could also expand the deal to include multiple pieces. The Nuggets could package Iverson, Camby and Kleiza in exchange for Billups, Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess, a deal which would work under the cap.
The aforementioned deal would undoubtedly shake up both squads. The Nuggets would inherit another potential headache in Wallace. However, when Wallace has his head screwed on straight -- which hasn't happened frequently enough for Dumars' liking in the past couple of seasons -- he's a formidable defender and almost impossible to guard on the offensive end.
Furthermore, given the fact Wallace will be in the final year of his contract next season makes it somewhat less risky of a move from Denver's perspective. It's also worth noting that Denver VP of Basketball Operations Mark Warkentien is familiar with Wallace as a result of their days together in Portland and has a great deal of respect for what he brings to the table.
The deal would also allow two former Nuggets a chance to come home in Billups and McDyess. Billups would give the Nuggets another fan favorite to offset the loss of Iverson at the box-office, and he would also give Denver a bigger and better defender at the point. McDyess would bring a much needed mild-mannered, veteran presence to a locker room full of strong personalities.
For the Pistons, there would definitely be some concerns with regard to whether or not Iverson and Hamilton could coexist given Iverson's propensity to over-dribble and Hamilton's game which is dependent on a good point guard delivering the rock when he comes off of screens. Still, with a scorer like Iverson, a shot blocker like Camby and a developing young scorer in Kleiza, this is a deal the Pistons would have to consider. And much like Wallace, if things don't work out between Iverson and the Pistons, Detroit could simply let him walk after the season.
The Nuggets and the Pistons will no doubt talk to one another in the coming weeks. However, it's important to remember that blockbuster trades aren't easy to pull-off these days for a variety of reasons. That said, both teams appear truly motivated to shake things up this summer and it's hard to imagine either team finding a more willing trade partner.
Han comentado por ahí algo de McGrady en Detroit,por Hamilton,eso sería un bombazo,aunque no tendría que convivir con Hamilton, lo de Iverson aunque sea expire no lo veo muy integrado en Detroit,si Billups le han llovido por ser el menos defensivo de los titulares,no quiero imaginar la que le pueden caer a Iverson,un poco anarka me parece.
Lo de Camby sería genial,y en dos años con su edad dejaría espacio salarial.
Parece ser que menos la inkognita de Iverson con Hamilton y Stuckey,no lo verían mal los equipos,me parece más equilibrado que el de los Bobcats,Iverson acaba contrato,Camby tiene dos años,no es mucho para lo que puede aportar y Kleiza cobra poco y es joven.
Nuggets, Pistons Perfect Trading Partners
By: Travis Heath Last Updated: 6/4/08 10:34 PM ET | 811 times read
Adjust font size:Joe Dumars is angry, really angry. He's so angry, in fact, he told media in Detroit yesterday at the press conference to announce Flip Saunders firing that he's open to trading anyone on the team's current roster.
"I don't have any intention of coming back with the same group," Dumars asserted in an almost defiant tone. "But, nor am I going to give these guys away. These are good players and I am not going to take mediocre players back just to say we made some changes. I've got to get value back."
Really? So the Pistons would actually be willing to part with the likes of Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace?
"Make no mistake, everybody's in play now," Dumars said. "There are no sacred cows here. I have no interest in completely ripping the team down, but will I look to make like significant changes? Yeah, you're damn right I will."
Of course, the challenge remains finding a willing trade partner. And even once one is found, trades are always much easier to talk about philosophically than to actually consummate.
All that said, the Denver Nuggets are also a team that is willing to shake things up after being eliminated from the playoffs in the first round for the fifth consecutive season. Could the Nuggets be just the kind of willing trade partner Dumars is looking for?
Denver's brass has said they'll look at every possible scenario this offseason, and there are no doubt plenty of possibilities in Detroit.
For starters, Billups is a guy the Nuggets could take a long look at it, and the Pistons might be ready to move him given his age and the stellar play of rookie Rodney Stuckey in the postseason. The Nuggets could start by building a package around center Marcus Camby who would give the Pistons the inside shot blocking presence the team has lacked since the departure of Ben Wallace to Chicago in the summer of 2006. In addition to being a Denver native, Billups is also a point guard with the kind of size the Nuggets have been looking for to complement Allen Iverson in the backcourt.
However, Billups has never been a pass-first point guard which could cause problems if he were to team-up with Iverson. Moreover, Billups' has three years and a fourth-year team option left on a contract which will pay him $11-million next season and increases by basically $1-million annually through the 2011-2012 season. That is certainly one heck of a salary for the Nuggets to absorb.
The Pistons and the Nuggets could also expand the deal to include multiple pieces. The Nuggets could package Iverson, Camby and Kleiza in exchange for Billups, Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess, a deal which would work under the cap.
The aforementioned deal would undoubtedly shake up both squads. The Nuggets would inherit another potential headache in Wallace. However, when Wallace has his head screwed on straight -- which hasn't happened frequently enough for Dumars' liking in the past couple of seasons -- he's a formidable defender and almost impossible to guard on the offensive end.
Furthermore, given the fact Wallace will be in the final year of his contract next season makes it somewhat less risky of a move from Denver's perspective. It's also worth noting that Denver VP of Basketball Operations Mark Warkentien is familiar with Wallace as a result of their days together in Portland and has a great deal of respect for what he brings to the table.
The deal would also allow two former Nuggets a chance to come home in Billups and McDyess. Billups would give the Nuggets another fan favorite to offset the loss of Iverson at the box-office, and he would also give Denver a bigger and better defender at the point. McDyess would bring a much needed mild-mannered, veteran presence to a locker room full of strong personalities.
For the Pistons, there would definitely be some concerns with regard to whether or not Iverson and Hamilton could coexist given Iverson's propensity to over-dribble and Hamilton's game which is dependent on a good point guard delivering the rock when he comes off of screens. Still, with a scorer like Iverson, a shot blocker like Camby and a developing young scorer in Kleiza, this is a deal the Pistons would have to consider. And much like Wallace, if things don't work out between Iverson and the Pistons, Detroit could simply let him walk after the season.
The Nuggets and the Pistons will no doubt talk to one another in the coming weeks. However, it's important to remember that blockbuster trades aren't easy to pull-off these days for a variety of reasons. That said, both teams appear truly motivated to shake things up this summer and it's hard to imagine either team finding a more willing trade partner.
Han comentado por ahí algo de McGrady en Detroit,por Hamilton,eso sería un bombazo,aunque no tendría que convivir con Hamilton, lo de Iverson aunque sea expire no lo veo muy integrado en Detroit,si Billups le han llovido por ser el menos defensivo de los titulares,no quiero imaginar la que le pueden caer a Iverson,un poco anarka me parece.
Lo de Camby sería genial,y en dos años con su edad dejaría espacio salarial.
Los Bad Boys mejores que los Lakers.
Dice y Sheed por Iverson,Camby y Kleiza.
Donde hay que firmar?
yo a Billups no lo doy ni borracho.
Camby es un tio espectacular defensivamente,tapones y rebotes a gogó.
Kleiza es un tio joven para dar minutos de descanso,lo que yo decia.y de Iverson no comments.
Yo creo que Iverson se centraría aquí,en un equipo con opciónes reales de llegar mínimo a Finales de Conferencia,y con un poco de suerte,a las Finales.
Donde hay que firmar?
yo a Billups no lo doy ni borracho.
Camby es un tio espectacular defensivamente,tapones y rebotes a gogó.
Kleiza es un tio joven para dar minutos de descanso,lo que yo decia.y de Iverson no comments.
Yo creo que Iverson se centraría aquí,en un equipo con opciónes reales de llegar mínimo a Finales de Conferencia,y con un poco de suerte,a las Finales.
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buffff, yo lo de Iverson no lo veo nada claro. Es un jugador que me encanta, pero teniendo a Hamilton iba a jugar muxos minutos de 1, y sabiendo lo tirazapatillas que es... no lo veo yo dirigiendo al equipo. Aparte que supondría cortar la progresión de Stuckey, que para mi mdebería ser una prioridad.
Lo de Camby y Kleiza si me agrada mas. Al lituano le he visto jugar unas cuantas veces y me gusta bastante, es muy completo, puede jugar de 3 o de 4, es joven y creo que tiene un contrato bajo.
Lo de Camby y Kleiza si me agrada mas. Al lituano le he visto jugar unas cuantas veces y me gusta bastante, es muy completo, puede jugar de 3 o de 4, es joven y creo que tiene un contrato bajo.
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Luc Robitaille
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Yo creo que tiene que ser Billups-Sheed por Iverson-Camby-Kleiza
Si Billups no entra es un robo, ademas Billups en colorado pinta mucho porque es de alli y fue alli al college y tal
Es un traspaso equilibrado, con la unica incognita de Iverson de 1, pero Allen pega mucho en el estilo bad boys la verdad, y es un jugador por calidad mejor que Billups
Si Billups no entra es un robo, ademas Billups en colorado pinta mucho porque es de alli y fue alli al college y tal
Es un traspaso equilibrado, con la unica incognita de Iverson de 1, pero Allen pega mucho en el estilo bad boys la verdad, y es un jugador por calidad mejor que Billups
"I'll walk forever in blackness
The blind can't see until they get old
That ain't so bad as looking at you
Now that you looking at me
I look in your eyes and I know who you see
She hurt you good
But she hurt me more."
The blind can't see until they get old
That ain't so bad as looking at you
Now that you looking at me
I look in your eyes and I know who you see
She hurt you good
But she hurt me more."
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Luc Robitaille
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_Big_Ben_Wallace escribió:buffff, yo lo de Iverson no lo veo nada claro. Es un jugador que me encanta, pero teniendo a Hamilton iba a jugar muxos minutos de 1, y sabiendo lo tirazapatillas que es... no lo veo yo dirigiendo al equipo. Aparte que supondría cortar la progresión de Stuckey, que para mi mdebería ser una prioridad.
Yo diria que no cortaria su progresion, mas bien todo lo contrario
Eso si veriamos a un Stuckey mas centrado en la posicion de 1, que es una transicion que igual le cuesta realizar pero
Iverson-Stuckey
Hamilton-Stuckey
Prince-Hayes
McDyess-Kleiza
Camby-Maxiell
Por lo menos Stuckey jugarian 20-25 minutos por noche, y con Afflalo, Dixon etc por si hay lesiones, y Johnson y el draft por dentro, por lo mismo
En el draft si os quedais el pick28 escogeria a DeVon Hardin la verdad, es un 4-5 atletico, con un fisico brutal y que en ataque tiene sus cositas
"I'll walk forever in blackness
The blind can't see until they get old
That ain't so bad as looking at you
Now that you looking at me
I look in your eyes and I know who you see
She hurt you good
But she hurt me more."
The blind can't see until they get old
That ain't so bad as looking at you
Now that you looking at me
I look in your eyes and I know who you see
She hurt you good
But she hurt me more."
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juegatela...
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En mi opinión, humilde, lo que deberian hacer los mandatarios es empezar a reconstruir el equipo con gente joven, ya que siguen manteniendo la misma estructura desde hace años y si se sigue con el mismo equipo de aqui a un par de años no vamos a pasar ni de primera ronda.
Y ahora que aún se puede, meter a R.Wallace en algún trade no sea que pase como con ronaldinho y el año que viene se devalue
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Un 10 a kobe por la introducción del post. Arriba PISTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Y ahora que aún se puede, meter a R.Wallace en algún trade no sea que pase como con ronaldinho y el año que viene se devalue
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Un 10 a kobe por la introducción del post. Arriba PISTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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