Philadelphia Sixers. TRUST THE PROCESS Moderadores: tiko5, hastrakan, der König81

[Berlin]

Juego de filtraciones. normal que digan que no lo van a traspasar, que querrán sacar lo máximo por él.
A mi ese traspaso me parece ya bastante interesante para Phila. Te puedes quedar con Haliburton y Barnes, y perfectamente podrías empaquetar a Fox y las dos primeras rondas por otra pieza potente de otro equipo.
De todas formas, ese trade salarialmente no encaja ni p'atrás, tendrían que meter más cosas tipo Bagley o algo así.

[Bias]

Juego de filtraciones. normal que digan que no lo van a traspasar, que querrán sacar lo máximo por él.
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Bueno más o menos. Una cosa es que lo hagan en verano pero ahora en Febrero si filtran eso lo dudo mucho.

[sixer]

Que exhibición, espectacular el primer y tercer cuarto de Embiid. Literalmente imparable.

Y eso que en ese momento de los 7 triples y varios tapones seguidos de Mamba, parecía que se mascaba la tragedia. . Afortunadamente teníamos a Embiid en modo career high

[Bias]

Morey

"Everyone sees what's happening with Joel and how special that is. And all of our reaction, our emotional reaction, including mine, is we have got to do whatever we can to help him. And that reaction is correct. But I think it's the initial reaction that that means that we should just get the best thing possible in February. I think that leads you to a bad place. It's precisely because Joel is playing so amazing that this deal has to be the one that addresses our needs. Addresses our defense, which isn't playoff good enough at this point. Addresses our rebounding, which isn't playoff good enough. Addresses our playmaking, as Doc said, very important that we improve that. It's important we improve our transition (game). We have, actually, a lot of things we need to improve."

"If you trade one of these great players for multiple (players), it does not move your championship odds enough to make a difference. It might take us from where we're at now to a little bit better, but it's very slightly better. And we want to, for Joel, we have to make sure we get this right and that we move ourselves into a higher tier of ability to win the championship, and not just nudge ourselves from having the 7th best chance to maybe the 6th best chance in the league. It just doesn't make sense."

"If they think we're burning the season away without trading Ben, we are not only burning this season away if we trade Ben for something that makes everyone feel good, we're also burning away all the other future seasons. We're burning way more by doing a marginal trade than if we are patient. We have a solid chance this year, and then we also have the ability to win more in the future as well."

"We're not looking for a stellar deal. We are looking for a deal that makes us a championship contender, in the top 2 or 3 in the league at winning the title. Those are the teams that win. If we do a deal that takes us from the 8th best chance to win the championship to 7th, you're looking at like a half a percent better. And everyone feels better, because Ben Simmons, who people want gone, people will feel better that that name is no longer there, but our odds haven't changed much at all, and now we've not only burned away this season, we burned away our future as well."

"We've had conversations with pretty much every team in the league about Ben. I can tell you for a fact that nothing's gotten into, at this point, into a range (of being close). And generally they don't get into a range of a possible deal until you get closer to the deadline."

"I think it's less likely than likely (that they make significant deal at the deadline), but hopefully I'm wrong. Like, look, it won't be from lack of trying. We have a whole team of front office (executives). That's all we do. We have no other job that matters. It's all we're working on."

"I can tell you that for sure there are deals with the Sacramento Kings that I think would work. Will those deals ever happen? I have no idea. Are they just straight deals with the Kings? Probably not. Is it multiple teams? Probably. But for sure there are deals that are possible, that would go over our line."

"I do think with how great Joel is, our line has moved down a little bit. How much? Because Joel has lifted us into contention by his sheer will of greatness this year, that does push the number of deals that we would do are more likely. It's more likely that we can find ones that get us into that top few contention because of how great Joel is playing. So we are sitting right now as a better chance of a trade that actually helps Joel, and the Sixers, and Tobias and our whole team. There's a better chance one happens because of how great Joel is playing."

"Because Joel's playing amazing, and has lifted us into probably 5%+ title odds just on his play, now we might be able to do it with a top 40 player who's a great fit.

"Or we could do it where we do a trade, it helps the team, it's a better fit, and maybe our future opportunities are still open because we get some draft picks as part of it. So it ups our odds enough this year, and we maybe have a draft pick or a young player who could help us into the future, who might develop. Like, if we got a player of the caliber of Maxey coming back, we might be able to say 'Okay, we got a really solid player who's maybe not in the top 30, but he's a little bit below that, plus a solid young player who, over Joel's prime, which we're sitting in, might develop into that'. So it opens up more possibilities of deals."

[sixer]

24 arriba en casa. Qué decepción, qué disparate.

No le cree nadie a Morey lo de que no hay prisa y tal, tenemos un potencial MVP en un equipo con unos bajones increíbles

[sixer]

Y por cierto, muchas bajas en esos puestos si, Curry, Milton, Thybulle y Green. Pero no me digas que no puede jugar más Joe por ejemplo . Korkmaz y Brown son un lastre total. Brown no se entera ni en la penúltima jugada de que tiene que hacer falta, jugamos con 4 con uno de estos dos tíos en cancha

[Bias]

Felicidades. 24 arriba en casa contra un equipo de amigos, me acaban de amargar el día totalmente.

Que desastre absoluto, lo de este año en casa contra equipos que vienen sin nada no tiene nombre, ya debe de ser el cuarto o quinto partido totalmente regalado.

Aun por encima contra los fantasmas de Jackson, Bledsoe, Morris o Batum, que son de lo más asqueroso de la NBA, parece que se pusieron de acuerdo para juntarse todos.

[sixer]

Embiid está ya por encima de su nivel del año pasado. Es un dominio absoluto, hace lo que quiere contra cualquiera, es impresionante.

Y está jugando muchos minutos y muchos partidos, más que casi todos sus compañeros. Ayer por cierto, bien al fin Brown Jr y Korkmaz, nada como rajar de ellos. Y también Tobias y Maxey, se sufrió un poco al final pero se tuvo controlado el partido en todo momento.

Mientras tanto artículo de The Athletic con lo rumoreado últimamente: que Morey prefiere ir a por Harden en verano, a hacer un traspaso menor ahora.

Yo creo que esto entra en la estrategia de venderlo ahora más caro, seguir encareciendo un producto que al resto de equipos les sigue pareciendo un disparate. Y es que tampoco está claro que Harden quiera venir en verano, y si ganan el anillo? y si no lo ganan pero deciden intentarlo otro año? En su momento según dice Charania , le dieron a elegir entre Nets y Sixers, y eligió Nets.

With the NBA trade deadline just over two weeks away, rival teams interested in three-time All-Star Ben Simmons believe Philadelphia 76ers President of Basketball Operations Daryl Morey has his sights set on a bigger target in the summertime: Brooklyn Nets star James Harden.

The 76ers continue to engage in trade talks around Simmons, who requested a trade and informed the franchise in October that he is not mentally ready to play again for the franchise and needs professional help for his mental health. But multiple sources, including people with direct knowledge of the team’s thinking and also from rival teams involved on the Simmons front, tell The Athletic that the 76ers are believed to prefer to wait in order to pursue Harden or another superstar in the offseason and thus want to save Simmons for that potential sign-and-trade rather than take what’s available on the current market.

Unless Philadelphia is blown away at the deadline by a team that significantly improves its current best offer, in other words, the standstill between Simmons and the Sixers will continue past the deadline. There’s belief that the offers currently available would be there in the offseason too, but what may not be, if a Simmons deal is completed now, is a shot at a star like Harden. Simmons entered this season with four years and $147 million remaining on his maximum contract.

Sacramento and Atlanta have been among the most engaged recently in talks on Simmons, sources said, but team officials with those organizations doubt the 76ers will lower the price threshold for Simmons before Feb. 10. Between now and Feb. 10, the 76ers will continue taking calls and examining potential framework of offers presented to them. The Charlotte Hornets have been among new teams placing a Simmons inquiry to the 76ers, but there’s been nothing substantive, sources said. In return for Simmons, the 76ers have wanted a top-level All-Star or a package featuring a bevy of first-round draft picks for Simmons.

For Simmons, the 76ers have asked the Kings for guard Tyrese Haliburton and multiple first-round picks, and asked for a package around John Collins and multiple first-round picks from the Hawks along with Atlanta taking on Tobias Harris, multiple sources tell The Athletic. The Athletic reported on Wednesday that the Kings do not plan to move De’Aaron Fox or Haliburton and want to build around them.

Over the past seven months, the 76ers have discussed deals around players like Fox, Indiana’s Domantas Sabonis and Toronto’s Pascal Siakam, but organizationally they have felt that those players were not championship-altering, perfect fits on the roster. The 76ers believe in Tyrese Maxey’s long-term ability at point guard, have Harris as their starting power forward and Joel Embiid manning the center position.

The notion of Morey holding out hope for a Harden reunion should surprise no one who saw them thrive together during those eight seasons together in Houston. It wasn’t just the on-court success that created their bond, though the perennial playoff appearances (including two Western Conference Finals) didn’t hurt. It was the way Morey empowered Harden like never before, hiring a coach in Mike D’Antoni whose system played so wonderfully to his strengths and building the roster around him throughout. And after Morey’s failed attempt to pull it off last summer, when a deal that would have sent Simmons to the Rockets was real enough that the Sixers point guard even started shopping for homes in the Houston area, it makes perfect sense that Morey would want to go down this familiar road again.

Especially considering the reality that he’s never played with a big man as dynamic and dominant as Embiid.

The Rockets moved Harden to the Nets a year ago, deciding between offers from Brooklyn and Philadelphia. The 76ers were close to acquiring Harden, proposing Simmons, Matisse Thybulle and two first-round picks.

With both final offers in hand on the morning of Jan. 13, 2021, sources say Rockets owner Tillman Fertitta approached Harden about which destination he preferred: Brooklyn or Philadelphia. The choice was his – sort of.

Harden chose Brooklyn, but it remains unclear whether Fertitta would have been willing to follow through on the Sixers deal if Harden had opted for Philadelphia. At the time, sources say, the Rockets also strongly preferred the Nets proposal. The Sixers were unsure at the time if they were truly in the running, as Morey had abruptly resigned from the Rockets less than three months before and landed with the Sixers just two weeks later. They feared the personal dynamics relating to their recent history would play a part in the Rockets’ final choice, though Rockets officials have denied that was the case.

There was a sense of relief from Fertitta, sources say, that Harden had picked the Nets. It made the deal that much easier and less problematic to complete. Houston finalized the Nets’ blockbuster that included four first-round picks and four draft swaps.

Yet a year later, sources say Morey still has some optimism that he can finally find a way to bring Harden his way. More specifically, he believes that the nine-time All-Star and 2018 MVP sees the Sixers’ situation in a positive light. And while it may be counterintuitive, Embiid’s MVP-caliber play this season has inspired more patience among Sixers officials to make the right deal than it has pressure to get something done by the deadline.

As is the case with most potential free agent suitors, there are two primary ways the 76ers can bring in Harden in the offseason: signing him with cap space and negotiating a sign-and-trade with the Nets. However, the 76ers are roughly $20 million over the 2022-23 salary cap with just their fully guaranteed players and filling out the roster, so clearing enough space for Harden would require sending out $61-65 million in salary without taking any back, which is a big undertaking in any offseason, especially this one where so few teams will wield space. That means a sign-and-trade involving Simmons and/or Harris is the practical option, although the Nets would have to agree.

Sources say Morey has full support of ownership to take this situation beyond this deadline and into the summer, with the internal belief that they simply must prioritize Embiid’s prime over the course of next several years rather than act too quickly because of this season’s stakes. Embiid is signed through the 2025-2026 season and has a player option worth $54 million in 2026-27.

What’s more, Embiid has made it clear that he believes in this team’s ability – as currently constructed – to contend for an Eastern Conference crown and perhaps even a championship. To wit: Even with Embiid missing 11 games this season, the Sixers (27-19) find themselves just 2 ½ games back of Brooklyn for the top spot in the East. In terms of individual dominance, Embiid and Milwaukee’s Giannis Antetokounmpo are the only players averaging at least 28 points, 10 rebounds and four assists this season.

“There’s no sense of panic (to do a deal before the deadline),” one source with knowledge of the Sixers’ thinking said.

And still, the injury history of Embiid makes it supremely important to find a way to maximize each season. No matter that Embiid’s own MVP case is likely much greater should the 76ers keep Simmons past the trade deadline.

For his part, Harden has focused on the Nets’ championship aspirations this season. It’s unclear how he sees the prospect of playing in Philadelphia – or with Embiid – but all indications are that the Sixers truly believe they have a chance of landing him. If they can’t land Harden, of course, they’ll continue pursuing the likes of Portland’s Damian Lillard, Washington’s Bradley Beal or Boston’s Jaylen Brown.

Harden declined to sign a three-year, $162 million extension with the Nets prior to the regular season, stating that he was concentrating on the season and didn’t “plan on leaving this organization and the situation that we have.” Both Harden ($47.3 million) and Nets star guard Kyrie Irving ($36.6 million) have player options for this offseason. If Harden opts into his player option, he is eligible for a four-year, $227.2 million max extension, making it a total five-year, $274.7 million contract. Should Harden opt out and join a new team, he is eligible for a four-year, $200.1 million max deal.

Nevertheless, do the 76ers complete a deal now to make the team better around Embiid? Morey has made it clear that any Simmons trade must include a championship-impacting player – and not just multiple high-level rotation players.

“It really is important that the player we add to Joel, if we really want to take our odds from wherever we’re at right now to something materially higher, it has to come back in an impact player,” Morey said Thursday on 97.5 The Fanatic. “If you trade one of these great players for multiple, it does not move your championship odds enough to make a difference. It might take us from where we’re at now to a little bit better, but it’s very slightly better. For Joel, we have to make sure we get this right and we move ourselves to a higher tier of ability to win a championship.

“We are looking for a deal that makes us a championship contender; in the top two or three in the league of winning a title. Those are the teams that win.”

Although Morey is believed to be prioritizing making sure the 76ers don’t eliminate the acquisition of a star player later by doing a deal now, he also said Embiid’s recent play elevates the desire to make a trade. In true Morey form, he’s trying his best to keep everyone guessing.

“Because Joel has lifted us to contention by his sheer will of greatness this year, that does the number of deals we would do more likely. It’s more likely that we can find ones that get us into the top few contention because of how great Joel is playing.”

There have been ebbs and flows to the Simmons ordeal in Philadelphia, which remains fluid. And even as the league has awaited the inevitable trade of the 25-year-old, the 76ers desiring one of Morey’s longtime former stars, or someone of the same ilk in the offseason, could complicate matters.

[Bias]

Puff después de estar haciendo la goma los Spurs todo el partido a uno ya le empezaba a asustar el tema.

Cada partido de Embiid es un espectáculo.

[Bias]

Lo de este equipo jugando en casa contra equipos que vienen sin nada es de traca. No aprenden a pesar del historial que tienen y siguen saliendo con cero intensidad a jugar una pachanga.

Ayer tocó cara pero una victoria así ya ni la disfrutas.

[sixer]

Haciendo MVP's a Willy y a Alexander-Walker. Willy el mejor pivot que ha jugado contra Embiid esta temporada, tiene tela el asunto.

Al final se pusieron las pilas en ataque Tobias y Embiid, 75 puntos entre ambos.

No es un partido para salir satisfecho porque eran los Pelicans C. Pero ves lo de los Wizards perdiendo tras ir ganando de 35, y ya no sabe uno si es que pedimos demasiado o qué

[sixer]

Estaba claro que sin Lebron no habría partido y así ha sido. Pese al gran partido de Davis y a un Embiid más flojo, entre comillas, porque casi un triple doble con más de 25 puntos no está nada mal...

Volvió Danny Green, Thybulle dejó varios highlights defensivos y Maxey su primer doble doble.

Milton y Curry son los que restan por volver

[Bias]

Los Kings son unos cachondos eh. Andan por ahí ofreciendo lo que no quieren (Barnes,Hield,Bagley) y le filtran a Woj en plan ofendidos que los Sixers les piden mucho por Simmons y que se retiran de la puja

[Bias]

Lo de este equipo es de traca eh.

Vergonzosa primera parte con mil perdidas , empezando por Embiid, y después de la remontada final en el último cuarto con un pletórico Embiid los Kings llegaron a tener bola para ganar cuando el partido ya parecía totalmente finiquitado (varios triplazos de Haliburton para casi darle la vuelta vale, pero vamos ).

Menos mal que no entró ese último tiro.

[sixer]

10 arriba a falta de 1.30 y a puntito de palmar... Volvió Curry, ya solo queda Milton. Y como era de esperar, relajación hasta verse apretados, este año es lo que toca por lo visto.

Embiid es ahora mismo máximo favorito al MVP en las casas de apuestas. Y por cierto, una lastima si es cierto el fin de de negociaciones con los Kings, Haliburton que siempre había sonado, sería muy bien recibido

[sixer]

Embiid baja por descanso hoy ante los Grizzlies

Lástima porque era un partidazo. Se acabó la parte chollo del calendario. Grizzlies, Wizards, Mavs, Bulls y Suns antes del trade deadline, a ver cómo salimos parados

[Bias]

Este equipo es de traca, hoy que no teníamos a Embiid ganamos a uno de los equipos más en forma de la liga

Si no fue el partido más entretenido de la temporada por ahí andara. Partidazo increíble con varios finales de infarto tanto en el tiempo regular como en la prórroga.

Maxey, Harris y Drummond hicieron partidazos y Curry que falló todos sus tiros hasta el último cuarto y estaba siendo un desastre al menos apareció en esos momentos del final del partido.

[Bias]

Que tipo más peñazo

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/inside ... phia-76ers

[darka]

Que ilusionante lo de Maxey, él junto a Morey y Embiid, ha de ser un de los pilares de este equipo los próximos años, no creo que podamos competir para el anillo este año, aunque nunca se sabe y de momento la cosa pinta abierta. Pero de cara a los próximos años si sacamos algo bueno por Simmons, tenemos equipo para ilusionarse. (Siempre cuando se mantenga a Elton Brand maniatado y si es necesario encerrado en algún sótano o cualquier medida de este tipo que se requiera).

Por cierto, cuanto creéis que vamos a tardar en largar a Rivers? Es cierto que tiene facetas muy buenas como entrenador, pero ya hemos visto del desastre que es capaz en playoffs, por cierto vaya hostiazo de los Hawks esta temporada,

Parece que se está poniendo nervioso Simmons después de haber perdido 19 millones, la estrategia de Rich Paul no está dando mucho efecto, que pena. Hay que dejar trabajar a Morey, yo creo que lo de Harden es un farol y Ben va a salir antes del 10 de febrero.

[sixer]

Qué partidazo por favor! Lo acabo de ver sin saber ni que había prórroga, el mejor de la temporada, y entre los mejores de estos últimos años. Es inclasificable lo de este equipo, mañana perdernos con Embiid contra los Wizards verás.

Me ha gustado muchísimo, qué garra han sacado todos, jugando perfectamente en el clutch sin Embiid, y qué maravilla Maxey sobre todo.

Lo de Simmons yo también pienso que es un farol y sale este mes. Es la estrategia de siempre de Morey, encarecer el producto. Pero no veo que podamos desaprovechar el mejor año de la carrera de Embiid, por algo que ni sabemos si llegará en junio. Yo no le creo cuando dice que lo más probable es que no haya movimientos, igual me equivoco, pero lo dudo