Philadelphia Sixers. TRUST THE PROCESS
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Bias » 11 Abr 2013, 14:50

¿que entrenador querríais si se va Collins? A mí lo del nuevo entrenador me da miedo porque tenemos unas pésimas experiencias en eso.

Hollins que acaba contrato en Memphis y es un ex-jugador nuestro sería mi preferido (aunque se supone que renovará).

According to multiple league sources, the 76ers organization privately hopes that coach Doug Collins decides not to return for the 2013-14 season and, regardless of his decision, it does not intend to extend his contract - which has one year remaining.

It will be an interesting game of cat-and-mouse when this season ends. Collins is unlikely to quit and leave $4.5 million on the table, but he is just as unlikely to agree to coach the lame-duck year of his contract.

"I'm entirely focused on trying to win the games we have left," Collins said Wednesday night before the Sixers played Atlanta at the Wells Fargo Center. "I'm not thinking at all about next season. I haven't gone there."

Previously, Collins has said he simply doesn't know yet what he will do. This has been an excruciatingly difficult season for the entire organization, and particularly for Collins, who pours so much passion and energy into coaching that he is always exhausted at the end of a season. This time around, dealing with the crushing disappointment of not having the Andrew Bynum deal work out, and then dealing with a team that is incapable of winning without him, the toll has been even greater.

"I think he's gone at the end of the year. He'll be moving on," said one NBA source with intimate knowledge of the situation. "He'll decide to leave, and they won't be upset about it. They would like to see it work out that he decides to move on."

Collins, who will be 62 this summer, will be the one making the decision. Management is not eager to get into a public-relations war with a popular former player and charismatic local hero. The two sides would have to come to an agreement to settle the contract, but if that is the price of a peaceful parting, the organization might consider it a bargain.

"Whatever happens, there isn't going to be a contract extension," a second NBA source said. "They're looking to turn the page."

The passion and energy that come with Collins also come at a cost. He wants to win so badly that he is demanding with those above him, and with those on his roster. Some members of the organization would prefer a coach who is a bit more pliable in his dealings with management and players.

Regardless of what ownership and the front office want, however, Collins still holds all the cards. He could ask to serve the final year of his contract in a front-office advisory position, one that would give him the freedom to come and go as he pleases. His son, Chris, recently was hired as basketball coach at Northwestern University in the Chicago suburb of Evanston, Ill., and the father could easily transfer his passion to attending some of those games. That would also provide a painless transition for the Sixers.

If Collins, an Illinois native, opts to return to Chicago, where he coached three seasons with the Bulls, he probably could find a position with that organization. He and Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf have maintained a close friendship over the years. Or, as likely as any outcome, Collins could resume his work as an analyst on television, where he is among the best at that craft.

What does not figure is Collins' coaching the final year of his contract. The Sixers are unlikely to be competitive next season - and for the foreseeable future - and it is difficult for any coach to hold together a team without the hammer of the organization's contractual support.

Just as the organization put itself into a hole with a big trade that went terribly wrong, it has no leverage with the coach, and the Sixers almost certainly will have to buy their way out of that.

A team executive who declined to speak on the record said Collins has the support of the organization, but confirmed that neither the coach nor the team has addressed the subject of a contract extension. A year ago, Collins received a one-year extension on his original three-year contract very soon after the team's postseason ended.

Since the group headed by Josh Harris bought the team before the 2011-12 season, the owners have had a run of bad luck. First there was a lockout that took away nearly half of their inaugural season, then, after a decent-enough playoff run, the Bynum deal blew up in their faces. It's not as if the team can stand more news that places it in a negative light.

Home attendance, which peaked at an average of 20,560 in 2001-02, the season after the Sixers went to the NBA Finals, fell steadily afterward as the team struggled, bottoming out with an average of 14,224 for Eddie Jordan's disastrous 2009-10 season. There have been modest increases in the last three seasons, starting with the hiring of Collins for the final season of Comcast-Spectacor ownership. There was a sizable bump in preseason ticket sales when the team traded for Bynum, and attendance this season averaged 16,653 before Wednesday's game.

The organization will have a huge season-ticket renewal problem this offseason, and the last thing it needs is engaging in a popularity contest with Collins. Selling tickets for next season will be difficult enough.

"They really want to avoid a backlash if the fans sided with Doug," the first NBA source said. "They will be happy if Doug makes the call and it works out that he leaves."

The only wild card in the deck Collins is holding is that he always bristles at the notion that he is not a long-term coach. Rightly or wrongly, because each of his three previous coaching jobs had different circumstances, he is seen as a coach whose demanding ways burn the candle at both ends.

Collins coached three seasons in Chicago, 21/2 seasons in Detroit, and two seasons in Washington. He is completing his third season with the Sixers. Perhaps he is determined to break his own record, just to answer those critics.

Whatever the decision, it will be Collins making it, and making it soon. The Sixers can't wait to hear.
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por J_Bo » 11 Abr 2013, 14:54

Yo también creo que Hollins terminará renovando con Memphis, aunque caigan en la primera ronda.

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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Durant » 11 Abr 2013, 14:55

Dice poco en favor de Holiday, que Kobe está jugando 48 min con 34 tacos.

Hollins se quiere largar de Grizz porque ve que no aspiran a más tal como dijo después de los trades, sería un gran fichaje.
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por J_Bo » 11 Abr 2013, 14:57

¿Te lo ha dicho él? :mrgreen:

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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Bias » 11 Abr 2013, 15:07

Durant escribió:Dice poco en favor de Holiday, que Kobe está jugando 48 min con 34 tacos.


Pero Holiday esta al 100% en los entrenamientos, de Kobe ya se sabe que tiene épocas de ni entrenar y solo jugar.
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Durant » 11 Abr 2013, 15:34

J_Bo escribió:¿Te lo ha dicho él? :mrgreen:


Sí, como lo de Gay y Mayo, remember? :D
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por sixer » 11 Abr 2013, 15:58

Bias escribió:
Durant escribió:Dice poco en favor de Holiday, que Kobe está jugando 48 min con 34 tacos.


Pero Holiday esta al 100% en los entrenamientos, de Kobe ya se sabe que tiene épocas de ni entrenar y solo jugar.


Y Kobe lleva ya en esto muchos años y sabe como dosificarse, manejar la presión etc. Holiday se ha encontrado esta temporada con que a sus 22 tacos es de golpe el líder del equipo , encima de un equipo en el que casi nadie más respondía.

Y a eso súmale la presión que ejerce Collins sobre sus jugadores, beneficiosa en principio, pero que a la larga acaba desgastando.

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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Durant » 11 Abr 2013, 15:59

Bueno que quedan 4 partidos, dosificar sería si hicieran PO.
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por sixer » 11 Abr 2013, 16:10

En cuanto al entrenador Hollins sería un sueño, no se hasta qué punto es posible.

Otro que ha sonado y también ex jugador de los Sixers es Brian Shaw ahora ayudante en Indiana, estos años atrás en los Lakers con Phil. Muy buenas referencias, no se sí alguien podría decirnos algo más en el sentido de que podríamos esperar de el.

De todos modos yo no tengo aún tan claro que Collins renuncie..

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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Bias » 11 Abr 2013, 19:48

Es que lo de coger entrenador es cosa seria, eh.

Desde Billy Cunningham en el 86 estos han sido.

Matt Guokas
Jim Lynam
Doug Moe
Fred Carter
John Lucas
Johnny Davis
Larry Brown
Chris Ford
Randy Ayers
Jim O'Brien
Maurice Cheeks
Tony DiLeo
Eddie Jordan
Doug Collins

14 entrenadores 27 temporadas, una media de 1 cada 2 temporadas. Y mirar que nombres, lo único bueno Brown y Collins, y luego decentes O´Brien y DiLeo. Todo lo demás.... por eso me asusto si se cambia de entrenador.
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por chus_ki » 11 Abr 2013, 19:56

Carlisle tiene a O'Brien de segundo :D y "ha colocado" a Stotts de primero en Portland y a Casey en Toronto :mrgreen:

Hay un pvto desierto de coaches ahora mismo :oveja:


El tema Hollins no es cuestión de resultados en Memphis, es más tema que se le están empezando a hinchar las pelotas con el nuevo dueño Robert Pera

Va a estar muy cotizado si sale de allí
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por sixer » 11 Abr 2013, 22:22

Mientras por Orlando, Vucevic otro 30-20. Y de Harkless os acordáis que cuando lo elegimos en el draft le daban de perfil máximo a alcanzar un Ariza? he leído el otro día que puede subir hasta un Iguodala ... es tremendo esto

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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Biiillups1 » 12 Abr 2013, 00:11

No os flageléis con el trade, porque si os ponéis a pensar que perdisteis a Iggy, Vucevic y Harkless por nada la cosa puede ser muy dura.
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Bias » 14 Abr 2013, 13:18

Con cosas como esta lo de Collins empieza a estar claro
Sixers assistant coach Brian James will join the Northwestern University coaching staff of Chris Collins very soon after the NBA regular season ends on Wednesday, according to multiple sources.

James has been his right-hand assistant previously in Detroit and Washington.
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por chus_ki » 14 Abr 2013, 13:27

Collins tiene otro año y Philadelphia esta jodiendo para que se vaya sin tener que pagarselo :(

¿Dariais puerta a Bynum para firmar a Al Jefferson? :oops: Yo si lo haría :D (hasta haría sitio para Millsap)
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por KG #5 » 15 Abr 2013, 08:57

se confirma lo de collins http://www.nba.com/2013/news/04/14/doug-collins-out/index.html

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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Bufonloco » 15 Abr 2013, 15:28

Que alegría. Si llega a seguir el pesimismo para la próxima temporada habría sido inaguantable.

Ahora a ver a quien fichamos, que menuda racha.
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Beast Mode » 15 Abr 2013, 20:32

Vaya *********** de temporada, con lo que prometia.
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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por sixer » 15 Abr 2013, 22:15

Cuando vino a Philadelphia llego con fama de entrenador de 3 temporadas, que reflotaba equipos muertos al instante, pero que no podía mantener el nivel más de 2 años.

Y exactamente así ha sido. Me quedo con el Collins que convirtió la banda que había dejado Eddie Jordan en un equipo de playoff, y el Collins que el año pasado nos dejo a un partido de la final del este.

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Re: Philadelphia Sixers 12/13. Jrue All Star Holiday

por Bias » 17 Abr 2013, 14:55

INDIANAPOLIS - Doug Collins will coach his final game with the Sixers Wednesday night as it is expected to be announced the next day that he has come to a financial settlement, and will forego the final year of his contract.

Owner Josh Harris and the front office already were facing a busy summer revamping the roster. Now, their first order of business will be to find a replacement for Collins, who has coached the team for the past three seasons. That person will be the eighth head coach of the organization in the last 11 seasons.

Tuesday we gave a list of some who may be candidates. Here are some more:

* Aaron McKie: A Philadelphian through and through, as he was a star player both at Simon Gratz and Temple, learning from two of the best coaches our area has to offer in Bill Ellerbee and John Chaney. McKie played 13 seasons in the league, including eight with the Sixers, and has been an assistant with the team for the past six seasons. He has a great relationship with the younger players on the team, especially guard Jrue Holiday, who is probably the one piece this organization is looking to build around.

* Lionel Hollins: He is still the coach of the Memphis Grizzlies, but there have been rumblings about his ouster even though his team is having an outstanding season. Has had three stints with Vancouver/Memphis. Played for the 76ers from 1979-1982. He will be 60 in October. Should he not return to Memphis, he will be a hot name coming off a season that has included 55 wins thus far.

* Larry Drew: Another current coach who may be let go after the season, Drew has spent the past three seasons with the Atlanta Hawks. He went 40-26 in the strike-shortened season a year ago and has his club fighting for the fifth seeding in the East. The 55-year-old played in the league from 1980 to 1991 and has been an assistant with the Lakers, Pistons, Wizards, Nets and Hawks. During his three seasons with Atlanta he has gone 126-97 in the regular season and made the playoffs in each of his years.

* Nate McMillan: He had been a head coach in the league for 12 seasons before getting fired in the middle of last season with the Portland Trail Blazers. He coached for five seasons with the Seattle SuperSonics before moving on to Portland and compiled a 478-452 record during his coaching run. His teams made the playoffs five times, getting out of the first round once. The 49-year-old North Carolina State product spent his entire 12-year playing career in Seattle.

* Bob McAdoo: The former great scorer and onetime Sixer has been an assistant coach with the Miami Heat for the past 18 seasons. He was a five-time All-Star and the league MVP in 1974-75, when he averaged 34.5 points and 14.1 rebounds. He won NBA titles with the Lakers in 1982 and 1985 as a sub, and finished his career with the Sixers in 1986. He has won two more NBA titles as an assistant coach with the Miami Heat.

* Fred Hoiberg: While his NBA career was cut short due to a heart condition, Hoiberg has made a name for himself in the coaching ranks, where he has gone 62-39 in three seasons as coach of Iowa State, where he played his college ball. He has made the NCAA Tournament the past two seasons. Just 40, Hoiberg played 10 seasons in the NBA. Iowa State is his first head coaching stint.

* Jay Wright: The Villanova coach is a name that has been brought up several times since the middle of the season by people around the league. He is young (51), possesses a personality that would seem to fit in with NBA players, and is looked upon favorably by basketball fans in Philadelphia. He went 122-85 in his seven seasons at Hofstra before moving to the Main Line. He is 257-144 in his 12 seasons at Villanova, which includes a Final Four appearance.

* Fran Dunphy: While on the subject of local college coaches, the legendary Dunphy has to be mentioned. Now in his 24th season as a college coach between Penn and Temple, with a 468-238 record, Dunphy perhaps could be looking for a new challenge at the age of 64. He is so widely respected throughout the basketball world, the Sixers' front office would have to at least give him a phone call. He almost joined the coaching staff of friend Gregg Popovich years back.
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