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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por sotero_18 » 27 Nov 2020, 09:49

Sergio Perez Anagnostou escribió:Vale que el mercado cierra en febrero pero entiendo que Hornets querrá tener a Hayward para el TC o qué? Que en un mes empieza esto y le han puesto muchos dólares encima como para que se pierda partidos o algo...

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Supongo que la fecha límite será el lunes. Ayer fue acción de gracias así que nadie trabajó, hoy se activará el mercado de nuevo.
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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por Spree85 » 27 Nov 2020, 10:16

No hay mayor demostración del 'draft for talent' que ver lo de Suggs de ayer.
Imagínate que este año cogemos un "base" por la lógica de que necesitamos uno, "es que no tenemos ninguno". Ok. Cogemos a Haliburton o Kira.
Ahora llegas top 5 al draft 2021 y por la misma lógica tienes que pasar de Suggs porque ya has invertido en el "base" tu pick 2020.

El horror.
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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por Shumpert17 » 27 Nov 2020, 10:26

Se os va la olla con la CAA. Para que os hagáis una idea,
Austin Brown, uno de los agentes de Obi Toopin lleva a:
Bates-Diop, DeAndre' Bembry, Khem Birch, Malcolm Brogdon, Torrey Craig, Terence Davis, Kris Dunn, Jawun Evans, Pau Gasol, Gary Harris, Jaren Jackson, Jr., Tyler Johnson, Damian Jones, Kyle Kuzma, Donovan Mitchell, Chuma Okeke, Jordan Poole, Andy Rautins, D'Angelo Russell, Collin Sexton, Tony Snell, Denzel Valentine y Zion Williamson.
Aaron Mintz, uno de los que lleva a Randle:
Grayson Allen, Carmelo Anthony, Trevor Ariza, Keita Bates-Diop, Jordan Bell, Bobby Brown, Allen Crabbe, Torrey Craig, Ed Davis, Kris Dunn, Paul George, Gary Harris, Josh Hart, Wesley Iwundu, Reggie Jackson, Luke Kennard, Brandon Knight, Meyers Leonard, KZ Okpala, Elfrid Payton, Jakob Poeltl, Alex Poythress, Phil Pressey, J.J. Redick, Austin Rivers, Jerome Robinson, Terrence Ross, D'Angelo Russell, Mike Scott, Daniel Theis, Denzel Valentine y C.J. Wilcox.
Y con esto, que esperamos? Cuántos agentes tiene la NBA? 50? Media NBA es de CAA, ni mafia ni hostias, es que es casi imposible salir del monopolio
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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por Cartwright » 27 Nov 2020, 11:25

Gracias, empor, por tu aclaración. Ojalá pudiese pasarme más por aquí. No obstante, mientras me sea posible, me daré una vueltecita de cuando en cuando.

Con respecto a lo que comenta Shumpert, yo no creo que la actitud de CAA sea mafiosa (de hecho no creo que ninguno lo penseis, aunque ese perfil Soprano que exponeis tan de la "familia" sí que guarda similitudes, guardando las distancias), y compro su pseudomonopolio. Mi preocupación, si es que debo estar preocupado, pasa por la posibilidad de que el hecho de que Rose-CAA centre su reconstrucción en su agenda pueda restar opciones, pues es cierto que la agencia controla una buena parte del mercado, pero no lo es menos que Klutch está acaparando gran parte de sus grandes nombres. Quizá el plan pase por dos vías distintas pero yuxtapuestas: la de la reconstrucción de los Knicks vía CAA y la del empoderamiento masivo de CAA usando a los Knicks y su reconstrucción como instrumento.

No sé, ya os digo, hablo como aficionado curioso, pero reconozco que todo este jaleo me ha llamado la atención.
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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por nyknicker » 27 Nov 2020, 11:30

Shumpert17 escribió:Se os va la olla con la CAA. Para que os hagáis una idea,
Austin Brown, uno de los agentes de Obi Toopin lleva a:
Bates-Diop, DeAndre' Bembry, Khem Birch, Malcolm Brogdon, Torrey Craig, Terence Davis, Kris Dunn, Jawun Evans, Pau Gasol, Gary Harris, Jaren Jackson, Jr., Tyler Johnson, Damian Jones, Kyle Kuzma, Donovan Mitchell, Chuma Okeke, Jordan Poole, Andy Rautins, D'Angelo Russell, Collin Sexton, Tony Snell, Denzel Valentine y Zion Williamson.
Aaron Mintz, uno de los que lleva a Randle:
Grayson Allen, Carmelo Anthony, Trevor Ariza, Keita Bates-Diop, Jordan Bell, Bobby Brown, Allen Crabbe, Torrey Craig, Ed Davis, Kris Dunn, Paul George, Gary Harris, Josh Hart, Wesley Iwundu, Reggie Jackson, Luke Kennard, Brandon Knight, Meyers Leonard, KZ Okpala, Elfrid Payton, Jakob Poeltl, Alex Poythress, Phil Pressey, J.J. Redick, Austin Rivers, Jerome Robinson, Terrence Ross, D'Angelo Russell, Mike Scott, Daniel Theis, Denzel Valentine y C.J. Wilcox.
Y con esto, que esperamos? Cuántos agentes tiene la NBA? 50? Media NBA es de CAA, ni mafia ni hostias, es que es casi imposible salir del monopolio



Ya he dicho que entiendo las contrataciones a nivel deportivo.

El 100% de las contrataciones creo que han sido CAA.


Según este link, el top 10 de agentes libres son estos: https://hoopshype.com/reps/

De la CAA son, Mintz, Heuman y Brown, que representan a 55 jugadores. De un total de 187 jugadores representados por el top10.


Más allá de que muchos jugadores sean CAA, un 30% aprox. Entiendo que sus contactos son esos, los conocen personalmente y en sus pros y cons ganen más los jugadores CAA, pero no veo mal y veo entendible que la prensa y aficionados muestren ciertos recelos.

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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por Shumpert17 » 27 Nov 2020, 12:09

Noel no es de CAA, pero es que es de Kentucky, bueno pues Burks ni es CAA ni es Kentucky.
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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por knicklinarense » 27 Nov 2020, 12:21

Shumpert17 escribió:Noel no es de CAA, pero es que es de Kentucky, bueno pues Burks ni es CAA ni es Kentucky.


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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por JaviBreogan » 27 Nov 2020, 13:05

Lo del amor en la pista entre Payton y Randle no es solo cuestión de sensaciones. Que vivan los novios! :D


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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por cebemaniaco » 27 Nov 2020, 13:34

There’s plenty to be thankful for about Knicks — not just tanking hopes

1. David Fizdale is in the rearview mirror, though he’s still getting paid by James Dolan for the next two seasons. But Dolan hopes he’ll have Tom Thibodeau around to pay for five years. The Knicks saw patches of respectability after a 4-18 start after which Fizdale was bounced for interim Mike Miller. Thibodeau and his eight assistant coaches will have the club more prepared for every tipoff than any coach in the league.

2. The Knicks haven’t played a game since March 11 — an OT victory in Atlanta. That means you haven’t heard the strains of Hall of Famers Mike Breen and Walt Frazier in tandem on MSG Network for nearly ninth months. That ends real soon as Frazier decides on his favored pun for Obi: “He’s Poppin’ and Toppin”.

3. Less than 10 teams are expected to allow socially distanced fans inside their arenas. The Garden won’t be one of them because of Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s ban on indoor gatherings for pro sports. Look at the bright side: saving the $128 for marginal 200-level seats (the average ticket price last season). And cutting back on the $14 pulled pork sandwich at the arena’s Hill Country BBQ. (They are good though).

4. RJ Barrett, the No. 3 pick in last year’s draft, has the intangibles/work ethic to turn into an All-Star-level player. The 6-foot-7 Canadian rebounds terrifically for a guard, sees the floor well, attacks the rim with ferocity and plays inspired defense. It was highway robbery Barrett got excluded from the two all-rookie teams. His friends said he’ll be using that as motivation. After a slow start during OTAs, he wound up impressing Thibodeau. An improved 3-point shot and more efficiency from the free-throw line will make all the difference.

5. Despite having 16 guys — one over the roster limit — the Knicks still have $18 million in cap space. It’s $23 million of space if Elfrid Payton uses the $5 million room exception for his pact instead of cap space. That’s if the Knicks get up to the cap. They only need to spend $8 million to hit the payroll minimum and don’t have to do that until late in the season, giving them trade flexibility.

They can obtain even more 2023 draft picks by taking on a bad contract that would be used in an important trade down the road. Or the picks can be moved to go full bore after former All-Star Victor Oladipo. However, taking on Nic Batum’s Superbad $27 million pact for another draft pick seems unfair to Dolan, who is facing a desolate Garden without revenue streams. Even if it’s a first-rounder, that has Dolan paying, all told, $23 million for the pick. Dolan never said he was Santa Claus.

6. The Knicks have a defacto GM in John Calipari — and he’s working for free. Knicks rookie executives Leon Rose and William Wesley have leaned on Calipari’s advice for years. It won’t stop now. Rumor has it, the Kentucky Wildcats will leave the SEC and become the Knicks’ new G-League affiliate.

7. Watching Toppin’s rookie year will be pure pleasure. The Dayton dunk machine desperately wanted to be a Knick — and that’s a rare case around the league. Maybe the Cavaliers will be owed a favor later from Creative Artists Agency in passing on him at No. 5 for Isaac Okoro despite Toppin’s Ohio ties. CAA, which Rose once ran, wanted him in New York. As one college scout said, “It’s a perfect spot for Obi. His personality is tremendous. If he’s as good as he could be, he’ll be the face of the franchise. I worry about Okoro as a scorer and whether he’d have been a good fit with RJ.’’

8. Be thankful for new signee Nerlens Noel, the former Kentucky standout big man. Because Calipari said so. Plus his name is perfect for the holidays. Noel wasn’t the sixth pick in the 2013 draft for nothing and played solid minutes as a shot-blocker and effort defender for OKC’s playoff team. He was their best signing as Mitchell Robinson still has stuff to figure out.

9. The NBA has not set a date for the draft lottery but there’s a chance a vaccine will be in place by then. Surely the Knicks Film School guys will be throwing a bar bash, COVID-willing. And Oklahoma State, where point guard Cade Cunningham attends classes, will be on ESPN a lot.

10. The Knicks’ 2023 draft will be epic.

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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por kkne » 27 Nov 2020, 14:14

Tremendo Suggs!! Lo que más llama la atención de esta camada es la consistencia en el tiro, y es que tanto éste como Cade, y BBj, tiran muy bien. De esto adolece la de este año y si me apuras la de Zion en posiciones altas.
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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por SonnyCorleone » 27 Nov 2020, 14:17

Aun no hemos tradeado a Randle?
Tony Soprano e Il Consigliere están tardando mucho.

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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por JaviBreogan » 27 Nov 2020, 15:19

cebemaniaco escribió:There’s plenty to be thankful for about Knicks — not just tanking hopes

1. David Fizdale is in the rearview mirror, though he’s still getting paid by James Dolan for the next two seasons. But Dolan hopes he’ll have Tom Thibodeau around to pay for five years. The Knicks saw patches of respectability after a 4-18 start after which Fizdale was bounced for interim Mike Miller. Thibodeau and his eight assistant coaches will have the club more prepared for every tipoff than any coach in the league.

2. The Knicks haven’t played a game since March 11 — an OT victory in Atlanta. That means you haven’t heard the strains of Hall of Famers Mike Breen and Walt Frazier in tandem on MSG Network for nearly ninth months. That ends real soon as Frazier decides on his favored pun for Obi: “He’s Poppin’ and Toppin”.

3. Less than 10 teams are expected to allow socially distanced fans inside their arenas. The Garden won’t be one of them because of Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s ban on indoor gatherings for pro sports. Look at the bright side: saving the $128 for marginal 200-level seats (the average ticket price last season). And cutting back on the $14 pulled pork sandwich at the arena’s Hill Country BBQ. (They are good though).

4. RJ Barrett, the No. 3 pick in last year’s draft, has the intangibles/work ethic to turn into an All-Star-level player. The 6-foot-7 Canadian rebounds terrifically for a guard, sees the floor well, attacks the rim with ferocity and plays inspired defense. It was highway robbery Barrett got excluded from the two all-rookie teams. His friends said he’ll be using that as motivation. After a slow start during OTAs, he wound up impressing Thibodeau. An improved 3-point shot and more efficiency from the free-throw line will make all the difference.

5. Despite having 16 guys — one over the roster limit — the Knicks still have $18 million in cap space. It’s $23 million of space if Elfrid Payton uses the $5 million room exception for his pact instead of cap space. That’s if the Knicks get up to the cap. They only need to spend $8 million to hit the payroll minimum and don’t have to do that until late in the season, giving them trade flexibility.

They can obtain even more 2023 draft picks by taking on a bad contract that would be used in an important trade down the road. Or the picks can be moved to go full bore after former All-Star Victor Oladipo. However, taking on Nic Batum’s Superbad $27 million pact for another draft pick seems unfair to Dolan, who is facing a desolate Garden without revenue streams. Even if it’s a first-rounder, that has Dolan paying, all told, $23 million for the pick. Dolan never said he was Santa Claus.

6. The Knicks have a defacto GM in John Calipari — and he’s working for free. Knicks rookie executives Leon Rose and William Wesley have leaned on Calipari’s advice for years. It won’t stop now. Rumor has it, the Kentucky Wildcats will leave the SEC and become the Knicks’ new G-League affiliate.

7. Watching Toppin’s rookie year will be pure pleasure. The Dayton dunk machine desperately wanted to be a Knick — and that’s a rare case around the league. Maybe the Cavaliers will be owed a favor later from Creative Artists Agency in passing on him at No. 5 for Isaac Okoro despite Toppin’s Ohio ties. CAA, which Rose once ran, wanted him in New York. As one college scout said, “It’s a perfect spot for Obi. His personality is tremendous. If he’s as good as he could be, he’ll be the face of the franchise. I worry about Okoro as a scorer and whether he’d have been a good fit with RJ.’’

8. Be thankful for new signee Nerlens Noel, the former Kentucky standout big man. Because Calipari said so. Plus his name is perfect for the holidays. Noel wasn’t the sixth pick in the 2013 draft for nothing and played solid minutes as a shot-blocker and effort defender for OKC’s playoff team. He was their best signing as Mitchell Robinson still has stuff to figure out.

9. The NBA has not set a date for the draft lottery but there’s a chance a vaccine will be in place by then. Surely the Knicks Film School guys will be throwing a bar bash, COVID-willing. And Oklahoma State, where point guard Cade Cunningham attends classes, will be on ESPN a lot.

10. The Knicks’ 2023 draft will be epic.


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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por Elladan » 27 Nov 2020, 15:43

JaviBreogan escribió:
cebemaniaco escribió:


Sospechosamente parecido a este artículo de NBAmaniacs :D

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:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por SonnyCorleone » 27 Nov 2020, 15:46

Tienen las mismas sources....
tendrá Mocker algo que ver?

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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por cebemaniaco » 27 Nov 2020, 15:56

Elladan escribió:
JaviBreogan escribió:
cebemaniaco escribió:


Sospechosamente parecido a este artículo de NBAmaniacs :D

https://www.nbamaniacs.com/articulos/to ... os-knicks/


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:[/quote]


NBAmaniacs tirando del traductor de google en un articulo de Berman (posiblemente el peor periodista que cubre la info de los Knicks) Yo ya lo he visto todo :jeje: :jeje:


El martes empieza el Training Camp, nos comeremos a Julius Randle... o lo veis fuera en el S&T de Hayward a Charlotte??

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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por nyknicker » 27 Nov 2020, 17:43

Yo lo que veo es que haremos el trade por Batum para liberarlos, lo que pasa es que no sé si Randle se irá o no en este trade. Lo que está claro es que Charlotte debe hacerlo antes del martes, que empiezan el TC y hombre, no sé si hay media day, pero Jordan querrá sus fotitos de Hayward vestido de los Hornets.

Espero que Rose esté pidiendo mucho para facilitar el trade pero sin pasarse que luego nos quedamos sin nuestra parte.


27 kilos son muchos, eso está claro. Lo que no sé es si los Soprano valoran tan poco a Randle como lo hacemos nosotros.

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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por sotero_18 » 27 Nov 2020, 18:03

Tomic y Llull son nuestros. A ganar la ACB!!!
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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por sotero_18 » 27 Nov 2020, 18:05



Podemos decir que es el S&T más bizarro de la historia? :todos a botar:
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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por Philip_Marlowe_ » 27 Nov 2020, 18:07

sotero_18 escribió:

Podemos decir que es el S&T más bizarro de la historia? :todos a botar:

Si me dicen que son nombres inventados, me lo creo.

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Re: NEW YORK KNICKS

por sotero_18 » 27 Nov 2020, 18:13

Han hecho la pantomima esta para que Houston tenga una trade exception.

Haciendo favores que en el futuro se cobrarán. Así funcionamos ahora 8-)
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