CarlitosWay escribió:¿Qué opinaís del posible trade por Garnett? A mí me parece que si se diera la oportunidad debería hacerse, un Harrington+más uno o dos jugadores jóvenes (Ellis, Belinelli, Biedrins, Azubuike, Wright, O'Bryant...)+ la trade excepcion puede ser muy apetitoso para los Wolves y yo creo que una de las mejores ofertas que han recibido. Además KG quiere venir porque le beneficia nuestro juego, y es verdad que en los Warriors podría convertirse en un machaca estadísticas. Con Garnett aprovecharíamos los últimos dos años de contrato que le quedan a Baron al máximo y por qué no aspirar a lo más alto.
(((Adrián))) escribió:Yo pienso que dar a Biedrins es lo peor que podríamos hacer, casi prefiero dar a Ellis ya que nos quedaríamos sin C.
San Jose Mercury News escribió:Burning question: Did Warriors-Garnett deal fall apart due to communication problems?
I don’t usually pass along unconfirmed NBA speculation, but this one comes from very high level sources–sources with big jobs on big NBA franchises who deal with every other team all of the time.
Not other writers. Not agents. These are a few of the actual movers and shakers–people who make trades–who, separately, have brought up this tale to me.
None of them were actually in the Warriors, Bobcats or Timberwolves’ war rooms on draft night, but they speak authoritatively about what they’ve heard happened in those rooms.
These are sources who say they know what happened on June 28, when most smart NBA execs believe the Warriors had a deal in place to land KG in a three-team extravaganza involving Jason Richardson… then it didn’t happen.
The gist, and again, I caution that this is speculation, rumor, gossip, but good gossip:
While the Warriors’ Chris Mullin and T-Wolves’ Kevin McHale scrambled to get this complicated deal done in the moments/minutes before Charlotte picked eighth, Charlotte never heard directly from either team who the pick should be, thus messing up everything, or so the tale goes.
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* The Warriors, Timberwolves and Bobcats had a tenative deal (or deals) in place–some sources lean hard on the tenative part–at some point during the early part of the first round that would’ve:
-Sent Garnett and Troy Hudson to the Warriors;
-Sent Richardson to Charlotte;
-Sent a whole bunch of stuff to Minnesota, including Al Harrington (probably), Monta Ellis (probably), future picks, and the rights to Al Thornton (selected with Charlotte’s No. 8 overall pick);
-Added in a bunch of other salary-cap fillers here and there to make sure the money worked.
——OK, I’m not so sure about Thornton. But one branch of the legend is particularly emphatic on that part: Minnesota wanted to team Thornton with Corey Brewer for a new front line.
I don’t get that part, because I think Thornton and Brewer are both small forwards and neither replaces Garnett. I think Brandan Wright fits Minnesota’s post-KG void much better, but oh well. I’m not part of this legend. I’m just documenting it.
You also have to understand how tricky these deals are. Mullin, Michael Jordan and McHale could’ve been bobbing and weaving with each other all draft night, so maybe nobody is really sure who was truly offering what–everything was a pump fake and a no-look offer.
That’s a big caveat. Maybe it’s all misty and my sources are just using their instincts to fill in the blanks, possibly slightly incorrectly, possibly not.
* The word-of-mouth coalesces on this part: Charlotte wasn’t sure what to do when it got down to picking time for the No. 8 selection…
Maybe the Warriors and T-Wolves were right at the deadline and weren’t sure if they could pull the trigger before Charlotte had to pick.
Maybe McHale thought Mullin would tell Charlotte what to do, maybe Mullin thought McHale would talk to Charlotte. (The McHale/Mullin thing is a big part of one side of the legend.)
One weird side of the legend stipulates that there were phone problems in either the Charlotte or Warriors draft room. That the Warriors wanted Charlotte to take Minnesota’s guy (Thornton or Noah or somebody else), but…
The two sides couldn’t talk to each other at the pivotal moment, when Charlotte had to take somebody… so Charlotte took Wright, and immediately the KG-to-GSW deal was done for the time being.
That’s a really weird side, but the weird stuff makes the legends even more legendary, no?
* Heading into the start of the draft, Charlotte had a pre-existing agreement with Mullin to select Brandan Wright (or Yi Jianlian, Mike Conley Jr., Corey Brewer, Jeff Green or any of the Obvious Top Three Guys) then trade his rights for Richardson. That’s the absolute confirmed truth.
I’m told publicly and privately that the Warriors figured they were getting Wright and indeed, did want Wright–though they would’ve taken Brewer, Yi or Green and been very happy, too, if any of those three had fallen to eight. As it was, it was Wright who fell to eight.
It’s very possible that Mullin had the initial Wright deal with Charlotte set up strictly as a place-holder for a Minnesota/Garnett addition at the last second.
That’d be smart–don’t pull the trigger with McHale until he’s at his greatest moment of pressure, and that’d be right when Charlotte is about to select and McHale had better decide if he wants the deal and who Charlotte should take if he’s making that deal.
And if Minnesota doesn’t do it after all, Mullin still peddles Richardson to Charlotte for the rights to Wright plus a $10M trade exception and know that he still had a chance to get back to a Garnett deal at a later date.
* A lot of this makes sense to me because:
1) I don’t believe Mullin wanted to move Richardson–his favorite Warrior–unless it would lead directly to KG, flat-out, immediately.
If Richardson had been traded in a simultaneous KG deal, Mullin would never have had to explain himself and his recent declarations that he’d never trade J-Rich.
Hey, it was for KG, no explanations necessary! But J-Rich for Wright and a $10M exception? Sure, smart people know it was a great deal for the Warriors’ future…
Still, it was Mullin trading a guy who had been loyal and had stood with him, after promising he wouldn’t trade J-Rich, and it temporarily/possibly made the Warriors worse for now, not better.
2) On draft night, Richardson believed he was being moved for KG outright. I don’t know if he was told that straight-up by Mullin, but that’s what Richardson believed.
(In fact, one reason I hit the KG button so hard on draft night was that I’d been led to understand that the only way Mullin traded Richardson would be if he had Garnett right in his sights. If it’s Richardson, it’s for KG, I’d been told. And only KG.)
3) Mullin and Nelson aren’t about the future–they’re about NOW. They’re about getting a power forward who can guard Carlos Boozer and Tim Duncan in April and May… not in 2009.
They’re also about cleaning out the salary-cap mess, but that’s only a sidelight to their bigger plans about bigger, more veteran players. Like Garnett.
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* The mythos says that Charlotte knew the Warriors originally told them to take Wright, and that Charlotte never got word that the deal was being officially altered because of the Garnett addition, so Charlotte… took Wright.
Which, supposedly, killed the Minnesota part of the deal because, supposedly, Minnesota wanted Thornton, period.
Mullin said that he'd spoken to the representatives for Mickael Pietrus and Matt Barnes, but refused to go into details. Happy Walters, Pietrus' agent, says the Warriors "have not been that responsive to us" since extending their qualifying offer of about $3.5 million.
That's always the tricky thing about restricted free agents: Sometimes teams get scared off because they think their offer will be matched, while other times players don't want their old team to match. Hence, the sign-and-trade.
I don't expect Pietrus to be back, and I'm pretty sure the Warriors won't go near the full midlevel ($5.3 million) for Barnes. So if there's more money for Barnes somewhere else, it could be a very different looking rotation next season.
(((Adrián))) escribió:No estoy en absoluto de acuerdo con que Belinelli sea un jugador limitado al tiro exterior, creo que tiene mucha capacidad de progresión y calidad en el pase.
La rotación a día de hoy con los jugadores con contrato es esta:
Baron Davis - Sarunas Jasikevicius
Monta Ellis - Marco Belinelli
Stephen Jackson - Kalenna Azubuike
Al Harrington - Brandan Wright - Stephane Lasme
Andris Biedrins - Adonal Foyle - Patrick O'Bryant
Todo esto estando al límite salarial y con la MLE intacta, además de una trade exception generada por el traspaso de Jason Richardson. Bendito traspaso.
La posibilidad de tradear a Saras y a Al Harrington y colar a un posiblemente pufazo del draft como Patrick O'Bryant está ahí y es lo que se rumorea.
gran chema escribió:La verdad es que se trata de un equipazo que acabó muy bien la temporada, aunque no acabo de entender porqué estás de acuerdo con el traspaso de J.Richardson. ????
CarlitosWay escribió:Bueno pues ante la falta de rumores en la bahía me puesto a indagar un poco por las páginas americanas y estos son los nombres que suenan para Golden State:
Sign&Trade de Pietrus: pues hay varios equipos interesados en el frances que parece seguro que no continuará. Miami es el más interesado y esta poniendo nombres encima de la mesa, ofrece el sign&trade de Posey, mientras Chris Mullin ha preguntado por la situación de Haslem. Personalmente no me gusta ninguno de los dos, Posey porque si no se compromete es un 0 a la izquierda durante la temporada regular y Haslem es muy limitado ofensivamente, aunque por físico es un interior adecuado a nuestro juego.
Andrei Kirilenko: parece que hay posibilidades de conseguir al jugador ruso, que no esta agusto en Utah. AK47 volvería a ser un All-Star en los Warriors no tengo ninguna duda, es ideal para el juego de Nelson, uno de los mejores defensores de la liga con muy buena mano, buen reboteador y al que dándole algunos tiros es un tío que se va a 16 ppg sin dificultad. La única pega es que su contrato esta acorde con el rendimiento que puede dar y tiene bastante peso, este año va cobrar 13M y en su último año llegará a los 17. Habría que ver lo que piden los jazz pero imagino que al también querer estos deshacerse de él no pedirán nada desorbitado.
Garnett: voy a comentar poco sobre KG ya que ya se ha hablado aquí de nuestro interés en él, simplemente decir que Mullin esta llevando a cabo la táctica de esperar a que a los Wolves se les vaya acabando el tiempo para que rebajen sus pretensiones, de ahí la ausencia de movimientos en estos días. Esto puede tener su riesgo porque si al final no se consigue a Kevin podemos pagar haber sido tan pasivos en la Free Agency. Mullin parece que será conservador y no cambiará mucho el roster salvo un par de retoques (sing&trade de Pietrus y trade de J-Rich) a no ser que se presente la oportunidad de Garnett.
gran chema escribió:La verdad es que se trata de un equipazo que acabó muy bien la temporada, aunque no acabo de entender porqué estás de acuerdo con el traspaso de J.Richardson????[/size]
CarlitosWay escribió:gran chema escribió:La verdad es que se trata de un equipazo que acabó muy bien la temporada, aunque no acabo de entender porqué estás de acuerdo con el traspaso de J.Richardson. ????
Estaba algo sobrevalorado, tenía un contrato pesado y tras la llegada de Jax y la evolución de Ellis no aportaba nada especial a la plantilla aparte de la anotación claro. Si por él consigues un rookie que es el interior con más talento en ataque de un draft que se prevee de los mejores de la historia a mí me parece un buen trade.
Y que el miedo al luxury tax es enorme
Go Warriors Go escribió:Bueno aqui otro seguidor mas de los Warriors... Tenia otro nick antes y he preferido cambiarlo por este, para asi visto que ya este Post se va a tomar en serio, escribir de manera mas asidua...
marimon escribió:Brandan va a jugar de 5 en golden st
(((Adrián))) escribió:marimon escribió:Brandan va a jugar de 5 en golden st
Creo que Brandan esta temporada no va a jugar de nada en GSW, lo primero porque parece que quieren traspasarlo por un pez gordo, lo segundo porque si se queda creo que no le darán mucha bola, con que haga más que O'Bryant en su año rookie...
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