New Jersey Nets (Enero 06-Mayo 08) 'Gracias por todo, Jason' Zona de consulta para conocer cómo éramos antes Moderador: Louis de Funès

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Siguiendo con el tema VC, Daimiel hazte un favor y antes de decir las mamarrachadas que dices, fíjate que VC ha tenido este año career-highs en rebotes y asistencias, mira que su % en TC de este año ha sido SUPERIOR al del año pasado... Por qué ha anotado menos? PUES PORQUE HA TIRADO MENOS POR CULPA DE LA MIERDA DE SISTEMA OFENSIVO DE FRANK. Sólo hay que ver que en los últimos 15-20 partidos, cuando Frank dejó que VC se volviera a tirar sus 21 tiros por partido hizo promedios de 30pts-8-rbs-5asist, con alrdedor de 48-50%. Y todo eso VC lo ha hecho superando adversidades como la lesión o el boicot de Kidd. Punto final. Y por favor Daimiel antes de decir que los Nets han sufrido la decadencia de Carter 1º MIRA EL RÉCORD DE LOS NETS SIN CARTER ESTE AÑO Y SIEMPRE. Lo que han sufrido los Nets es cuando VC no ha estado en la cancha hasta el punto de no ganar ni un mísero partido y meter 75 puntos de media en esos partido con % que apenas sobrepasan el 36%. Estoy harto de que los carroñeros de turno vayan de gurús o sabihondos hablando de todo gratuitamente sin estar realmente bien informados.

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como va lo del pabellon en Brooklyn???

la verdad que yo de Ratner solo se que era un roñoso cuando entro y desmonto un equipo, menos mal que ya aprendio de ese error.

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a mi me sorprende que algo asi venga de el, aunque tengo que decir que nunca compro la revista, la pille para leermela en el avion y me encontre con eso, a lo mejor siempre las suelta tan gordas como esa, pero bueno, lo mas grave sera los chavales que compraran la revista y se crean esas cosas.

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a mi lo de Newark no se, en el fondo me gustaria que el equipo no saliera de New Jersey asi que tampoco lo veria tan mal, pero reconozco que el proyecto de Brooklyn es muy ambicioso aunque luego a ver como sale.

la cerveza en Belgica muy buena

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a mi me sorprende que algo asi venga de el, aunque tengo que decir que nunca compro la revista, la pille para leermela en el avion y me encontre con eso, a lo mejor siempre las suelta tan gordas como esa, pero bueno, lo mas grave sera los chavales que compraran la revista y se crean esas cosas.

Luego hay tantos anti-Vince...me has defraudado Daimiel.

Y bueno, lo de que el traspaso de Kidd no ha dado sus frutos se verá el año que viene, que esta temporada tampoco ha podido demostrar mucho.

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el resultado final se vera por el 2010 cuando Dallas nos de su ronda

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como va lo del pabellon en Brooklyn???

la verdad que yo de Ratner solo se que era un roñoso cuando entro y desmonto un equipo, menos mal que ya aprendio de ese error.

Sigue habiendo problemas. Eso sí, Ratner sigue diciendo que lo empezarán a construir a finales de año (lleva tanto tiempo incumpliendo los plazos marcados que mejor no fiarse al 100%).
Ratner ha desmentido que los Nets estén en venta o que haya negocioaciones para vender el equipo:

”The team is very simply not for sale and any stories that suggest or insinuate that we would be interested in listening to those conversations are flat out false,” Ratner said. “We are focused on breaking ground on the Barclays Center in Brooklyn later this year and building all of Atlantic Yards, nothing else.”

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a mi me sorprende que algo asi venga de el, aunque tengo que decir que nunca compro la revista, la pille para leermela en el avion y me encontre con eso, a lo mejor siempre las suelta tan gordas como esa, pero bueno, lo mas grave sera los chavales que compraran la revista y se crean esas cosas.

Y lo que dice de Krstic, también tela, es lo que tú dices, el año pasado luchamos por meternos en las finales de conferencia sin él, sus problemas físicos fueron una p****a, pero lesiones las tiene todo el mundo, y los buenos equipos se sobreponen a bajas más importantes, sólo hay que ver a Washington por ejemplo.

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a mi lo de Newark no se, en el fondo me gustaria que el equipo no saliera de New Jersey asi que tampoco lo veria tan mal, pero reconozco que el proyecto de Brooklyn es muy ambicioso aunque luego a ver como sale.

la cerveza en Belgica muy buena

Lo que está claro, y aunque duela decirlo, es que New Jersey no merece un equipo NBA, al menos no en The Meadowlands. En Newark se podría ganar más público, pero yo creo que no alcanzaría el nivel de público que en Brooklyn. Eso sí, vayamos o no a Brooklyn (que si vamos será en 2011 como muy pronto), lo de especular con la posibilidad de fichar a LBJ sigue siendo vender humo barato. Lo siento pero yo no compro. No soy tan ingenuo.

Qué tal Bélgica?

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a mi me sorprende que algo asi venga de el, aunque tengo que decir que nunca compro la revista, la pille para leermela en el avion y me encontre con eso, a lo mejor siempre las suelta tan gordas como esa, pero bueno, lo mas grave sera los chavales que compraran la revista y se crean esas cosas.

Luego hay tantos anti-Vince...me has defraudado Daimiel.

Y bueno, lo de que el traspaso de Kidd no ha dado sus frutos se verá el año que viene, que esta temporada tampoco ha podido demostrar mucho.

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A mí me ha defraudado no porque diga algo en contra de VC, sino porque al decirlo ha demostrado, ignorando todos los factores que he mencionado, que no estaba todo lo bien informado que debería para haber hecho esa afirmación y caer en la crítica fácil.

Sobre el traspaso de Kidd, eso de decir que no ha servido para nada tiene delito... Por el amor de dios, quien todavía dude de que era lo mejor para los Nets... Es imposible sacar tanto por un jugador tan mayor y que había mostrado públicamente su descontento... Rod ha vuelto a demostrar por qué es uno de los mejores ejecutivos de la historia a la hora de hacer traspasos.

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el resultado final se vera por el 2010 cuando Dallas nos de su ronda

Ese pick huele a lotería.

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Buenos días!

Por tamaño y momento de creación, vuestro hilo sobre los Nets junto a otros más, cae dentro de la nueva política de hilos que han de pasar al archivo. Hemos pensado que quizá el mejor momento para hacer el cambio sea por estas fechas, una vez acabada vuestra temporada y antes de que llegue el draft.

¿Que os parece?

Explicación

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Pues la verdad es que me da bastante pena dejar nuestro hilo... Pero vamos, si tiene que hacerse, a mí me da igual cuándo... Díle a Sehnsucht que cree el nuevo, que él es el creador de este post...

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Pues la verdad es que me da bastante pena dejar nuestro hilo... Pero vamos, si tiene que hacerse, a mí me da igual cuándo... Díle a Sehnsucht que cree el nuevo, que él es el creador de este post...

Da penilla la verdad.

Anda que no ha tenido esto vida desde hace un año más o menos...

A ver si Sehnsucht no tarda mucho y crea uno nuevo.

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a mi me da igual quien lo cree, cuando vuelva a Madrid la semana que viene ya contactare con quien haya que hacerlo y cuando diga de abrir un nuevo post pues ya si eso decimos quien lo abre.

pd: Belgica muy bien, lo unico que llueve bastante, pero estoy practicando muchisimo ingles, por la noche sobre todo jajaja, asi los tochos de underrated los leere mas rapido xD la gente es muy abierta y hay buen rollo, esta tarde ire a una exposicion de dinosaurios que es la mayor de Europa, luego al Atomium y despues a seguir la fiesta.

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Boki habla de su temporada y de su futuro en este entrevista para la web de los Nets:

http://www.nba.com/nets/news/Bostjan_Na ... _1_08.html

Tough Season No "Nach" on Boki

By Matthew McQueeny, NJNets.com
May 1, 2008



EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Bostjan Nachbar was very much representative of the Nets play overall, in good times and in bad. When things were rolling, he was usually the guy hitting the long-range daggers and amassing double-digit scoring efforts; when things were not so great, his lot – and shot – tended to go right along with the team’s struggles.

Coming off of a career-year in 2006-07 and beginning the preseason with a 35-point effort in Philadelphia, the stage appeared to be set personally for bigger and better things, but the team’s overall troubles early in the season and his own back issues later on derailed much of Nachbar’s momentum.

“It was definitely a season full of surprises and ups-and-downs,” said the 27 year-old Slovenian, in an exclusive interview to NJNets.com.

“That’s what I would say. We definitely started with high hopes and high goals going into the season but very early the problems started with Nenad (Krstic) being out for longer than expected, Jason (Kidd) being traded, myself being injured for the last quarter of the season. So not a whole lot of positives if you look at it like that but on the other hand we did have some good wins and it was a good season and we were fairly close to making the playoffs, which was our goal. We battled a lot of problems throughout the whole season and at the end the problems won and we lost that battle. Hopefully this group is going to stay together for another season and correct that so we can come out stronger than this season.”

A free-agent this summer, he has made no secret of the fact that he likes it in New Jersey and hopes to be part of the group next year. Nets President Rod Thorn, in his post season media availability, said that the team would like to keep him but also did note that he thinks “the market will be active for him. I think that a lot of teams in the league like Boki, think he’s a good player, and I think there will be a marketplace for him.”

Nachbar had a slightly better scoring average (9.8 points) than last season (9.2 points) but his shooting percentages took a plunge: he shot 36 percent from three-point land this year – down from 42 percent last season – and shot 40 percent overall in contrast to 46 percent last season. Plus, many nights, he was New Jersey’s only tertiary long-distance threat. While he was able to really capitalize off of the cohesion of the squad last season, he found himself in more uncomfortable positions, and certainly not as wide-open, at many junctures this year.

“Last summer I worked extremely hard the whole summer,” said Nachbar.

“I took off from National Team just to get ready for the season. I think it showed early in the season that I was really ready. Unfortunately with Nenad being out and our team just struggling to click, it affected everybody’s play. Especially after the trade and so many changes, it was almost impossible to expect that anybody on this team was going to be consistent throughout the whole season. There were so many lineup changes, trades, injuries, and stuff like that it’s almost impossible to expect for somebody to play at a high level throughout the whole season…I definitely was disappointed that the last quarter of the season I had this back injury that in a normal circumstance I would take off. But just us being in the playoff run all the way to the end, I didn’t want to…It was definitely disappointing because I was looking forward to and planning on having a strong finish to the season, which due to an injury definitely didn’t happen for me so I was kind of disappointed in that aspect.”

The back – and ultimately hip - issues made it evident to him that one of his biggest focuses will be strengthening his core this off season. He is also contemplating hard whether or not to play for his National Team this summer. From a national pride standpoint, he is leaning towards it but knows a free-agent summer is a risky one to be playing ball without a guaranteed contract.

However it shakes out, he knows one thing is certain for the next couple of months.

“It’s definitely going to be an interesting summer.”

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Al nuevo post le podríamos poner de título IN ROD WE TRUST, de cara al mercado de verano...

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A pesar de las palabras de Ratner y Yormark, en la prensa se sigue siendo muy escéptico con el traslado a Brooklyn y se piensa que lo mejor es llevar el equipo a Newark:

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/politi ... thispage=1

It's time to bring Nets to Newark
Friday, May 02, 2008

NEW YORK -- The woman waiting at the Flatbush Avenue bus stop closes her novel and gestures with her hand, as if showing this out-of-town visitor the big attraction in Brooklyn. Except the attraction is ... nothing?

"Well, here it is," Julie Bleha says.

Where?

"Over there somewhere."

There?

"That's it."

Bleha, who lives a few blocks away, points across the busy street to a scene that includes many things. A busy rail yard. An abandoned house. Several empty lots. Oh, and traffic. Lots of that.

What's missing from this scene, however is much more telling. No cranes lifting steel girders. No bulldozers moving dirt piles. No construction foremen barking orders.

No signs of the swank $950 million arena that Nets owner Bruce Ratner has planned for his team or the accompanying housing project that his Web site promises will create "a new vision for downtown Brooklyn" -- and no signs anything will happen soon.

Well, that isn't entirely accurate. There is one sign, attached to a chain-link fence, that directs people to an office a few blocks if they have questions about the Atlantic Yards project or the arena.

One jumps to mind: Where the heck is it?

Nets officials insist they still are targeting the 2010-11 season as their first in their new home, but even they have to know that's silly talk. Ratner, who loved to glad-hand reporters after games when his project was on track, turned down multiple interview requests over the past month.

"We are going to Brooklyn," his CEO Brett Yormark said. He has bragged in recent interviews about a recent trip to Europe to meet with eager corporate investors about the project.

The Nets can't sell tickets in Paramus, but now they're going to sell sponsorships in Paris?

The truth is, this franchise is closer to winning an NBA championship than to playing games near the intersection of Atlantic and Flatbush in Brooklyn. And, as any Nets fan who saw a game last season can tell you, there is no rush to clear room in the rafters for a banner.

Most troubling for the team? You can't find many people outside of Ratner and his minions who think the arena in Brooklyn makes any sense now. The cost for the arena alone is quickly approaching $1 billion, which would make it twice as expensive as any in U.S. history.

The financial markets have stalled. The neighbor opposition is still strong -- residents filed yet another lawsuit this week. The team is already hemorrhaging money and writing its owners love letters requesting checks to cover those losses. And the best acts always will prefer to play at Madison Square Garden, no matter how nice a place Ratner manages to build for this often-overlooked borough.

Ratner needs to come to grips with this: His team is heading in the wrong direction, and it has nothing to do with missing the playoffs for the first time in seven seasons. Too much stands in the way of the ambitious Brooklyn move to think it will ever become a reality.

Staying put is not an option, either. The Izod Center -- eaten alive by the Xanadu mess at the Meadowlands -- needs millions in long-overdo improvements for it to continue as a viable home, and even then, it would never become a profitable one for the Nets.

That leaves one destination. Moving the team to Newark makes sense on so many levels, which is probably why it hasn't happened. The Prudential Center has oodles of open dates to fill, and unless Ratner has forgotten, this is the state that has supported his sorry franchise for the past 40 years.

The Nets are lost, and somebody needs to point them down Route 21. Ratner needs to strike a deal with Devils owner Jeffrey Vanderbeek in the short term to get the Nets out of the Meadowlands, a situation that would be mutually beneficial for both owners. And if the struggles continue across the Hudson, Ratner should sell the team to New Jersey investors to keep it where it belongs.

That would make Bleha and others in her neighborhood happy. The mood here about Atlantic Yards ranges from outrage to skepticism to apathy. Another rally against the project, billed as the biggest one yet, is planned for Saturday afternoon. A concert series featuring local musicians and the release of a documentary against the project will follow later in May.

"It's a complete and utter sellout," Bleha said from the bus stop. "Look at this traffic. This is the middle of the day on a weekday. All the housing that's supposed to be part of it? Well, where are the schools?"

The schools are only part of what's missing. Where are the condos? The affordable housing? The office space? The bulk of the project is stalled as Ratner struggles to find financing or an anchor tenant for its office building, with the arena remaining the priority.

What, if anything, that eventually will sprout up over the rail yard is a mystery to residents. Pat Cabbagestalk was sitting at a patio table outside of the Atlantic Terminal Mall -- the other Ratner creation in this neighborhood that is either an economic benefit or an unnecessary eyesore, depending on your perspective.

"My major concern is, what does it mean for the people who are being pushed out?" Cabbagestalk said. "The original concept was to build a stadium and housing. Now, the whole concept has changed. They're building the stadium first but not the affordable housing? I find that highly suspect.

"I don't think they're going to fulfill the promises," she said. "I think they just said all that to get it going."

From her seat, the progress -- a Chuck E. Cheese and a Target, among other typical chain stores -- was behind here, while the 22 acres that would become Atlantic Yards were in her line of sight.

She could see the rail yard, the chain link fence with that sign, the empty lots and buildings slated for demolition. But no signs of an arena for a lost basketball franchise that doesn't belong here. And none coming soon.

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Los Nuggets preparan una buena sacudida de su plantilla y podrían querer liberar algunos salarios importantes. Nenê y Martin son transferibles pero intraspasables (porque nadie querrá comerse sus contratos), así que eso deja a Marcus Camby como el jugador que puede ser sacrificado para liberar salarios, aunque sería una baja sensible para ellos:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2 ... s-options/

Martin and Nene are close to untradeable. It would be stunning if the Nuggets dealt Anthony. And any trade of Iverson, who would be attractive because of his expiring contract, would be an admission the blockbuster December 2006 trade didn't work.

A source said Camby is the most likely big-dollar player to be dealt. But with Nene's health not a total certainty as he returns from testicular cancer, that could create a big void in the post.

Hay que intentar pescar algo en equipos como Denver o Phoenix, sobre todo porque han fracasado en PO y puede que quieran liberar algunos salarios importantes.

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Más sobre la posible salida de Camby de Denver para liberar salarios:

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/nugg ... _be_t.html

Will Camby be traded?
Friday, May 2 at 1:50 AM
Rumors swirled last summer that Nuggets center Marcus Camby could be traded.

I didn't think there was a chance it would happen, and it didn't.

But I'm not so sure this offseason.

A source close to the situation called Camby the most likely of Denver's five big-salaried players (Allen Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin and Nene being the others) to be traded. Sure, the Nuggets would rather deal Martin or Nene than Camby, but many consider them untradeable.

Think of Camby as a stock. He was at an all-time high a year ago after having won Defensive Player of the Year. He averaged 11.2 points, 11.7 rebounds and a league-high 3.30 blocks

Now think of Camby as a stock that could be leveling off. He was second in Defensive Player of the Year voting. He upped his rebounding to 13.1 and blocks to 3.61, and his scoring dropped to 9.1

But where Camby really fell off was in the playoffs. He averaged a troubling 3.3 points while shooting 5-of-21, although he did average 13.3 rebounds.

Was Camby worn down after playing in a career-high 79 games? Perhaps.

Nevertheless, the Nuggets have to project whether Camby, 34, might be starting to slide. Because he now has a good bit of trade value.

Camby, who has two years left on his contract, could help the Nuggets clear some money off their bloated payroll. And he could bring back a package of solid young prospects and/or draft choices.

Camby would have value to a team believing it needs a big man to a take a big step in the playoffs. And his contract is reasonable.

Camby has a base salary of $8 million next season, with possible incentives that could reach $3.79 million. In 2009-10, he has a base salary of $7.65 million and incentives that could reach $3.725 million.

Among his incentives each season are $500,000 total if he plays in 50-54 games, $1 million total for 55-59, $1.5 million total for 60-64 and $2 million total for 65 or over. In the first four years of that contract, the once injury-prone Camby has earned $7 million of a possible $8 million in bonuses for games played.

Camby's contract has been a bit of a Catch-22 for the Nuggets. Obviously, they've wanted him to play in as many games as possible, figuring that means more wins. Still, it can make it interesting for payroll planning considering the Nuggets are deep into the luxury tax.

At least Camby didn't put as much of a dent in the payroll this season as had been at one time projected. Camby last season earned $3.25 million for total incentives, $2 million for games and $1.25 million for statistical bonuses that only kick in if he averages 10 or more points.

Due to averaging less than 10 this season, the only bonuses he got on top of his $8 million base salary were $2 million for games played. That's still a $4 additional hit for the Nuggets when one considers the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax. But at least the Nuggets didn't take a $6.5 million hit due to Camby's bonuses ($3.25 million doubled).

We'll see this summer what might happen to Camby. It's no secret he hasn't always been pleased with his limited role in the offense, but he's done a good job hiding his displeasure, with the exception of an offhanded comment every now and then.

It definitely would be a risk to trade Camby since the Nuggets would then need a starting center. Nene is a candidate, but his health issues are always a concern.

But it's not out of the question Camby could be dealt. Stay tuned.